Video: Shane Mosley Told Naazim Richardson to Stop Pacquiao Fight
by Scott Christ on Jun 1, 2011 6:29 PM EDT
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PrintThis Saturday night at 8:45 p.m. EDT, a special 15-minute broadcast of Fight Camp 360: Pacquiao vs Mosley will air prior to Showtime's double-header of Froch vs Johnson and Kessler vs Bouadla.
That might not seem all that interesting on the surface, given that the fight was lousy and we've all moved on a month later, but here's a teaser video that might pique your interest:
In the corner, Shane Mosley clearly asks Naazim Richardson to stop the fight, and Richardson goes into his, "You're cut from a different cloth" spiel, refusing to stop the fight. Mosley responds, "I can't move," before Richardson cuts him off and continues the motivational speaker routine.
I'm not saying Naazim Richardson is a bad trainer or not a compassionate guy or anything like that. He's a terrific trainer. Nobody could have prepared 39-year-old Mosley for Manny Pacquiao. And I think if he felt that Mosley was in any serious danger, he may have stopped the fight. My question is, why not just listen to the old guy with the swollen face who's having trouble catching his breath? Why would you keep the fight going when the fighter wants out? There's no way he saw anything in that fight that told him Mosley could win after the third round, so what was the purpose?
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Do we know what round this was in?
If it was after the 3rd or 4th round I could see Richardson maybe thinking that Shane could shake off the effects of the knockdown and get back into the fight…
Naazim did the right thing in sending him back out. No doubt in my mind. Mosley was never in danger like Margarito and Cotto were.
Oh well then by all means let’s send a guy who doesn’t want to be there back into the fight so that maybe he can get into danger.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Mosley not being in danger of death or severe bodily harm isn’t enough of a reason if he’s not fighting to win anymore.
well said, although I would argue that it would be impossible to know for certain whether or not he is/was at risk of severe bodily harm or death since that is on of the main points in Boss Man’s thread, how would Nazeem know. If the guy wants out, let him out, it is his ass whose on the line. Regarding which round it is, you can barely see the bottom part of the round number the ring girl is holding, and at least to me it looks like the bottom part of a 1, so my guess is that is anywhere from round 10 to 12, which might make sense looking at how beaten up Shane’s face looks in the video.
Catching that and freezing it, I’m almost certain it’s going into round 11.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I agree
and we are talking about a man who really shouldn’t be fighting anymore anyway!
If you listen to Mosley talk 10 years ago and listen now the difference is shocking. I have little doubt he’s already done severe damage to his brain. I’m almost positive a functional MRI test like the one you talked about would back me up.
The difference between Margarito, Cotto and Mosley are simple; Cotto and Margarito were still trying to win a fight and took a serious, serious beating because of it while Mosley just tried to survive, winning was some distant dream for him in there. Naazim should have pulled him out, it was Shane’s call and he sounded so desperate, that’s not the mental state of a man who’s going out to fight for another three minutes.
I would imagine there are a number
of mitigating factors in sending Shane back out there. Shane’s legacy was on the line and I would hope that Richardson wouldn’t let him go out with the final stain of quitting on the stool after never having been in real danger. But, then again, it was Shane making that decision.
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sounds like something someone who hasn’t fought in a ring would do. a former fighter is jus as capable of doing this….but it bothers me more when someone who hasn’t fought refuses to listen to a fighter who wants a way out and doesn’t want to quit himself. that’s what the trainer and corner are there for.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Jun 1, 2011 7:35 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, that’s what I wanted to say without phrasing it poorly, but now that you brought it up I think it’s easier to get what I mean. Shane was asking Naazim to pull him out of the fight so that Shane didn’t have to emotionally quit himself. I’ve always thought that was part of the corner’s job, and a big part. Sometimes they might openly say it; other times they just kind of let the corner know somehow. Matt Remillard had a similar case against Mikey Garcia. The kid didn’t want to be a quitter, so the corner did it for him. There really shouldn’t be shame in a case like this, but of course there’s the stigma of having quit, and these are proud guys.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I'm fine with it
If Shane really wants the fight stopped, all he has to do is tell the ref.
The trainer and the fighter both have their own opinion. The trainer is there to save the fighter when he is being too brave. If Shane really wants to quit, all he has to do is refuse to get off the stool when the bell sounds. Or tell the ref he’s unable to continue. He was telling Naz he had nothing left. Naz tried to motivate him. That’s what trainers are there for. That’s how they make their money. Obviously, the talk worked to some extent (arguably), as Shane went on to finish the fight.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jun 1, 2011 7:38 PM EDT reply actions
Obviously, the talk worked to some extent (arguably), as Shane went on to finish the fight.
By running around the ring and refusing any engagement with Pacquiao whatsoever. I don’t see how this proved anything. Just two more rounds for people to boo.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
The fighter is the paymaster. The fighter doesn’t work for the corner, the corner works for the fighter. If the corner were to do something actionable (say start a Judah/Mayweather riot with injuries and lawsuits) it’s the fighter not the corner held responsible, even if the fighter had little control over it. The minute Shane said no more, that should have been it.
For some time now, I’ve been aware of nameless, formless doubts re the excellence of Brother Naazim. I wonder why he trains and gets paid buckets by so many aging and old fighters. Something’s beginning to look/feel wrong to me on the Bro Naazim front.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
This is exactly what I was thinking the other day. I asked here who else Naazim trains and I think the response was, Hopkins, Mosley and his nephew. Now, I don’t know if that’s true or not, but that’s not a very impressive stable, not at this point in time at least.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Jun 2, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The fighter is the paymaster but there are expectations inherent when you accept the role of trainer.
Sometimes that involves doing the things the fighter doesn’t want you to do. For instance, Cheato wanted to continue against Pac. Garcia should have stopped the fight, even if Cheato fired him after the fact.
Likewise, Shane wanted the fight stopped even though he hadn’t sustained any real damage throughout the fight (because he was on his bike the whole time). The manager tried to motivate him to pull through the moment of doubt in order to get six more minutes to attempt the million-dollar punch.
Also, rumors of Bro Naz’s lack of greatness are greatly exaggerated. See Shane vs. Cheato and BHop vs. Pavlik. Perfect gameplans, perfect between-round advice, both technical and motivational. Naz is the man. This is a tempest in a teacup. Everybody knows Shane was behaving in a less than courageous fashion. Because his trainer had the nerve to say it in the actual ring, now the trainer is the bad guy?
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Jun 2, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what hurts Shane's legacy more
I think going him out on his stool would have been better, a la Delahoya, because it doesn’t make him look like he did. A pathetic shell of his former self. Maybe its a Monday Morning quarterbacking, but if he got TKO’d the fight would have been remembered for the knockdown and Mosley could have spun a “going out on his shield” narrative.
Now, he looks like a scared old man.
Ew, I just watched it again it makes me sick
Shane is begging his corner to stop the fight between gasps and trying to explain why he can’t fight (as evidenced by him not actually fighting in the fight.) And, Nazim is trying to turn him him into Rocky Balboa, with some sort of miracle turnaround. Part of problem is that its supposed to be Rocky saying, “I’ll kill you if you stop this” not " I can’t breathe please help me."
Not to much to add...
…that have not allready been said. I understand that Naazim might not like that Mosley wanted out, but the fact is that it have to be the fighters call. Sure, Mosley could have told the ref that he was done, but that might have been to big of a humiliation for a fighter like Mosley. The corner stoping it looks alot better. If Shane had walked up to the ref and told him he was done, then that would have been the final (and lasting) memory of him and his career. To save him from that, his corner should have called the fight once Shane made it clear that he wanted it to end.
What time is it?
HAWK TIME!
Shane needs to retire and Naazim needs to be the one to tell him this, he needs to tell him to stop fighting and refuse to train him anymore. Mosley isn’t Roy Jones yet, but give it a few more years and he’ll be kissing the canvas plenty I’m willing to bet. Shane should take that final paycheck and get the hell out of the fight game.
That makes two Americans that quit or wanted to
Oscar on his stool and now Sugar Shane. Floyd didnt even want to step inside the ring with this guy. I’ve been following boxing religiously from 1990-2002 (stopped after Tyson lost to Lewis) but only recently picked it up thanks to the Pacman.
This little guy is incredible and a complete monster. He is capable of destroying anyone from the 140-147 pound divisions, not just beat but completely annihilate, all the while only gaining 5 pounds in his in-ring weight in 6 years since his days as a super featherweight!
I dont get why people here want to talk about the loser, the winner is the only man worth mentioning
I dont get why people here want to talk about the loser, the winner is the only man worth mentioning
Yeah when are people going to start talking about Manny Pacquiao fergodsakes
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Jun 1, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Gee, who’s this Manny Pacquiao cat you speak of?!
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Jun 2, 2011 4:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This ain't Rocky
Shane has been through some wars and if he wants to end the fight, then you got to end the fight. This isn’t some 20-year-old going through his first difficult fight, this is future HOF Shane Mosley. Not really a “cut me, Mick” moment for Naz. Now I’m all pissed in light of the article that Boss Man posted earlier this week….
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
What arouses my curiosity
Is there’s a guy from the NSAC in the ring (I assume its a commission guy at least) who’s hearing this while checking on him, and not doing anything to stop the fight
Good point, a fighter who is clearly losing the fight is saying stop the fight, I can’t move, those words at the very least should warrant a call to the ringside doctor to check on the fighter and find out more about what exactly is going on with the fighter.
"You're cut from a different cloth"
If the fighter can’t breathe, can’t move, you gotta stop the fight…
"Parte il tiro, RETE! RETE! RETE!"
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Cloth gets old and wears out.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Well Shane isn't just worn-out cloth
He was getting used as a rag to wipe the floor…
"Parte il tiro, RETE! RETE! RETE!"
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On Boxing Scene, Michael Marley claims that Shane said he had blisters, and for that reason wanted Naazim to stop it.
I’m not really sure about my opinion here, to be honest. I don’t think its black and white that Naazim was totally wrong though, because Shane wasn’t getting beaten up – he was dramatically uncompetitive, but, up to 07/05/11, had been an immensely proud guy. I don’t know whether Naazim was thinking Shane would be embarrassed the next day if he’d quit on blisters, or whatever, but of course it all looks a lot more embarrassing now for both of them.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Jun 2, 2011 3:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah Mosley was floating the blisters (caused by a torn ACL in the other leg) on Twitter.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
You know Oli, that’s a point I thought of after posting my initial disgust at Richardson.
Shane is a very proud guy (“cut of a different cloth”). The fight was close to being over, and maybe RIchardson was thinking Shane, down the line, would have a difficult time dealing with quitting.
Richardson knows Shane better than any of us………………….just playing devil’s advocate here.
Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. I just don’t know, to be honest. I mean, Shane is pleading with Naazim to stop the fight. Perhaps Naazim overestimated Shane’s pride just as much as we all did before this fight. Not inconceivable, really.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Jun 2, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Just saw that too..
But I’m confused on the twitter pics because they are showing a scar on his Achilles tendon. Am I missing something here? ACL and Achilles are not the same.
I think Nazim knew if he stopped the fight Shane would of regretted it for the rest of his life. I don’t think he wanted that for Shane. While it’s true Mosley wasn’t being competitive and had stop trying to win, he wasn’t exactly getting murdered in there. The excuse Shane gave that he couldn’t move I think might of sounded just like that to Nazim. An excuse. That Shane might of been speaking more out of embarrassment than actual pain. Either way, rather Shane meant it or not. Rather Nazim should of or shouldn’t of it doesn’t change anything. The fight sucked Shane needs to retire. And Pacquiao needs to stop fighting recycled names
All of it. Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie. I want it all.
Just curious, EB
Who exactly is not recycled?
Alexander.
Khan.
Ortiz.
Berto.
Judah.
Williams.
Marquez.
Mosely.
All of the above have losses, most more than one.
So who in their ascent, in their notching of name victims has beaten only virgins; fighters who have undefeated records.
IMO, elite fighters gain supremacy by fighting elite fighters. Most lose a fight or two as the competition improves the higher they go. I don’t call a man recycled because he lost to another elite.
I may call him shopworn…… if in fact that is what he is. Shopworn.
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We just a 34 second clip between Richardson and Mosley and are making all types of judgements. Richardson and Mosley have been together for a while now and I’m pretty sure he understands Mosley better than we do.
WTF!
I don’t think I need to see anymore than 34 second clip along with the 12 dreadful rounds I witnessed on fight night. Shane wanted out, not exactly the warrior behavior we had come to expect from him, but he was overmatched against a monster. No shame in that and he had the guts to admit that to his trainer…If I was a trainer, and my fighter told me to stop the fight, I’d stop the fight! The fighter is the only who can make things happen in there, and if he doesn’t want to be in there, he has zero chance of winning, and could get seriously hurt. This boxing, where your opponent’s aim is to hurt you as much as he can!
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