Pacquiao vs Mosley Does 1.3 Million-Plus PPV Buys, 14th-Highest Nevada Gate Ever
by Scott Christ on Jun 12, 2011 4:52 PM EDT
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Dan Rafael reported a few days ago that the Manny Pacquiao vs Shane Mosley fight from May 7 did at least 1.3 million buys on pay-per-view, confirming the event as Pacquiao's biggest-ever PPV fight.
"We know we have a little over 1.3 million," [Bob] Arum said. "What we don't have are some of the smaller cable systems. What I'm saying is I know we go to the bank counting a little over a 1.3 million. I know we'll go up from there. How much up, I have no experience in this. This was all done for us in the past by HBO, which had experience, charts and all kinds of data from past fights to compare the fight to. Showtime can't do it because they haven't done this in so long. They don't have the database that you need, but I'm feeling very, very happy because I know I've done at least 1.3 million."
What is somewhat astonishing about this is that Manny did this number against an opponent that most analysts felt would be outclassed, and was too old. Mosley did have some mild support for his punching power, but at best was given the old "puncher's chance" by the vast majority, with Pacquiao a massive betting favorite going in.
So in essence, Top Rank sold a fight that was a mismatch, and sold it well, and at the end of the day, you can say that the fight delivered was about what should have been expected, boring and one-sided as it was. Sure, Top Rank fluffed it up as a competitive matchup, but if you're buying what promoters say in press conferences, that's your own doing, not theirs.
The gate in Nevada was $8,882,600, the 14th-highest revenue from attendance in the state's history for boxing, meaning it was also a big live success as well as on pay-per-view.
Arum also says that Showtime, like they do with Miguel Cotto's next fight, has the right to first negotiation for the November 12 fight between Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez.
Pacquiao's previous biggest PPV events came against Oscar de la Hoya in December 2008, and Miguel Cotto in November 2009. Both fights did 1.25 million buys.
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Pac could fight me
And still get a million.
We could fight for a WBC belt, issued on demand by inserting a coin in a machine at ringside. The drama would be in seeing what semi-precious metal still remains unminted. It’d be like a live Lotto, with the house giving odds that something more valuable than tin would be chosen.
After I take my beating, I’ll be happy to tell Merchant that I just couldn’t get motivated for Copper. And that Manny is a great champ.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
That would make at least 1.3 million
unsatisfied viewers throwing things at the television.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
This just goes to show that, as much as we lampoon the greedy promoters and managers, the math of boxing remains unchanged. Pacquaio-Mosley was the boring, one-sided mismatch that most people knew it would be. So was Mayweather-Mosely. So was Pacquiao-Margarito. So was Mayweather-JMM. These fights bring in the dollars, though, and some fans of both guys would pay to watch them fight a cold. There’s a sucker born every minute, and they can order fights just like anyone else.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I gotta tell you, Pac – Marg was not boring at all.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Boring in that the result was assured.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Before the fight
I remarked on here that if Margocheato beat Pac, we’d “know he had a gun in the ring,” my exact words. Once the fight was underway, however, it seemed not certain at all, and for at least 7 rounds I was not alone in being scared to death that the MFer would win it. Watching it was totally, unexpectedly scary thrilling, never mind what any of us thought before it actually started. I loathe AM, but it was an epic fight.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
I don’t know, BoxAnne. For me, Vazquez-Marquez were epic fights; Morales-Barrera, Morales-Pacquiao, Gatti-Ward. The fact that Margarito couldn’t possibly beat Pacquiao meant that, to me, it just wasn’t that entertaining. It was fun, but epic? There were very few changes in momentum, just a lot of Pacquiao fist in Margarito face.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Jun 13, 2011 8:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
maybe "epic" is
a little hyperbolic, but it was not a boring fight, and altho Pac won most rounds, he was in trouble at least once, and thru 7-8 every round was close. I really believe not only that AM should never be permitted to make another dime boxing, but also that he should have been arrested and charged with some type of attempted mayhem/capital crime charge and not allowed to fight Mosely on the day, I really mean that. That said, the Pac fight was a corker. I unexpectedly saw it for free, and was amazed that it wasn’t just a walkover for Pac, I was scared for him more than once—maybe not epic, but certainly exciting. And in terms of a good-over-evil type fight, it really was one, and the guy in the white hat won—so maybe epic isn’t so far off. That aspect added a dimension for most, I think.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Well...
…I guess the one question in everyone’s minds was whether he was going to knock Margarito out or just beat the living crap out of him for 12 rounds. I just don’t think of that choice as being exciting. As big as he was, Margarito was a loser who was bound to lose.
There are some observers I respect who still think of Margs as a stalk-stun-killer. But ever since round one of Mosley-Margarito, a review of his career seems like a caulk-stuff-filler to me. Just a mirage in the desert.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
But this one guy told me boxing was dead and everyone watches MMA instead now…
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
means many things...
as much as we lament how boring that fight was PPV and live gate means – the promotion works and yeah a sucker is born every minute. the PACMAN did his best to entertain the crowd but with an opponent like that with a vaunted right hand could change the fight any second thats why his cautious all the time….but cramp or no cramp and blister or with no blister, for the millions they get for the fight, we deserve way better.
stone and eggs - no business!
@jrok
who assured you that Pacman would win against margarito, moron jrok?
i think you are a kind of person that even if you find a $100 you will keep on complaining of the nickel you lost.
I assured myself, I guess. Margarito – a disgraced,fraudulent fighter coming off a long stint on the shelf – had no chance of being anything other than a tall punching bag. That was a stupid, worthless, circus sideshow of a fight.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
and I couldn't agree more
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
by Matt Miller on Jun 12, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Inquiring mind(s) want to know!
I’m trying to figure out this dude’s angle. – Is he a Margarito fan? A Pac fan impliedly bolstering Pac’s record?
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Maybe a sore bettor?
In my experience, they tend to have pangs, even months and years after the fact. Particularly guys betting on the underdog, who were sure they were smart.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Your first comment does not bode well for your future. You waited a month for THIS as a first comment?
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Jun 13, 2011 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions
By the way, I guess I was never clear about my opinions of this, but I might as well be.
Manny Pacquaio versus Antonio Margarito was a stain on the sport. It was not competitive at all, and only the willfully blind and the hopefully naive thought it would be. There were times late in the fight when Pacquiao looked at Cole in disbelief for allowing him to continue to punish and injure Margarito. Pacquaio was not hurt by Margarito’s pitiful, pushing, inept punches, which hit Pacquaio like bullets from an unloaded gun.
It was a pathetic mismatch and a sickening farce, and artificially extended the career of a guy who was about as genuine a “Mexican Warrior” as John Wayne was a genuine Genghis Khan in “The Conqueror.” Margarito is a chin with lungs, and his lungs aren’t so good these days either.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
by jrok on Jun 13, 2011 12:21 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Totally, totally agreed. I don’t find one-sided beatings particularly entertaining, especially when that one-sided beating is so damned predictable. I know some see a kind of poetic justice in Margarito having his face kicked in, but I’d rather him not receive 5 million from that fight, and not get the inevitable payday from the Cotto fight.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Jun 13, 2011 7:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Of courses you know I disagree
That chin with lungs would have stalked stunned and killed virtually any other elite welterweight that night with the exception of Floyd Mayweather. With hands wrapped in front of more witnesses than every other preceding boxing match combined, Margarito chased and hurt Pacquiao.
IMO, he would have beaten Cotto that night, beaten Clottey again, made Berto look like the overrated fighter he is, and probably outworked Paul Williams this time as well. He was as primed to fight as he will ever be again and Manny’s beating the crap out of him won’t diminish the determination and quality f the fighter he was that night in Dallas.
Bit please enjoy his what I know assume will be his damaged and hapless state.
The Tornado’s run was short and destructive because ran it’s course.
And it’s course ran into a Typhoon.
Lastly, and I’m no one talk, let’s face it. The majority of fights fought by the truly elite fighters past and present are in the end not very competitive. When one guy, whether it be Ali of Frazier, Foreman, Leonard, Hearns, Duran etc etc meet another top five fighter, chances are the qualitative difference is so great the outcome is predetermined and often a relative bore.
Mayweather and Pacquiao have been, in the lower and middle weights, so dominant that no one has come close to beating them for years. That doesn’t mean I or any of us should denigrate all of their match ups or outcomes…..or write them off in advance.
On the other it does not stop us from doing it. As haters and lovers, that’s our prerogative.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
He outweighed his opponent by 25 lbs
And was six inches taller and longer than him. And he still got the shit beat out of him, losing almost every round (not to mention an eyeball) in the process.
It was truly pathetic.. and yet predictable.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I'll agree to disagreee
But no amount of words are gonna convince me I don’t see what I see when I watch Tony Margarito. I see massively deflated punch impact ever since the discovery of his secret weapons.
He still punches the same way… sort of pushing his punches out there instead of snapping them. I used to marvel at how a guy could punch like that and cause so much damage. I don’t wonder about that much anymore.
But, hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Indeed we are, jrok. Entitled to our opinions.
That said, do you question Pacquiao’s and his team’s report and conmments that Manny was not only in trouble at moments uring the fight but was in unusually severe pain (fetal the following day) after the fight?
Before you answer, I have an addendum to the question above. Why did Nazim and Mosely plan to or hope to target Manny’s body as stated if they hadnt seen and/or didn’t believe that Margarito had exposed such vulnerability in his fight with Pacquiao?
Ill live with whatever your answer…..and then put it to rest.
I think.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
You know who else "exposed such vulnerability" to Manny’s body? A 113-lb Medgoen Singsurat.
Margorito’s performance was pathetic. He was fighting a little midget and getting creamed. Do you think a guy who is seriously hurt to the body throws 1069 punches in a fight?
Anyway, Margarito’s a fraud and the fight was a sham/freak-show.
Also, Pacquaio’s "team" is notable (even by boxing’s lax standards) for being a circus tent filled with clowns, kooks, bigmouths, liars and parasites. You won’t be finding me taking anything any one of them says very seriously… and YES that includes Freddy Roach, whose head games are legendary now and who talks out of four sides of his mouth.
Hope that answers your questions.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
@jrok
most of the time you do make sense but sometimes its plain naive to believe that there is sucha sure thing esp in boxing. PAC said he was hurt and unless you got yourself punch by margo the same way pac was hit then maybe there’s no way of telling and hey dro the midget name call – pac is not and we both know that.
stone and eggs - no business!
Manny Pacquiao is possibly the greatest fighter I will see in my lifetime, but he is not Superman. No one who is “hurt bad” to the body throws 1000+ punches in a fight. They just don’t… especially when they are winning every round.
Pacquaio was like a midget against Margarito, who was really entered the ring a couple of divisions heavier than him and six inches taller.
I am sure Pacquaio was embarrassed after ten rounds or so of beating that punching bag. Any good man would be embarrassed by that: a champ versus a chump, and a wasted fight in his career. When he looked at Cole to stop it, it told the whole story. Maybe I would pretend that Margarito “hurt me” too. Hard to know in that circumstance.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I didn’t know Kim Jong Il was a boxing fan… he’s right there next to Ariza! =)
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
by Apprentice on Jun 13, 2011 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
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