Williams vs Lara Results: Erislandy Lara Robbed of Win, Ramos Knocks Out Shimoda
by Scott Christ on Jul 10, 2011 12:26 AM EDT
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I'll get into the main event in a minute, but let's start by taking our hats off to 122-pounder Rico Ramos (20-0, 11 KO) for an incredible comeback and a big-time knockout of Akifumi Shimoda (23-3-1, 10 KO) in the seventh round, claiming his first major title. That's all I can really say there, because sadly that story is pushed into the background by typical boxing bullshit.
In the main event, Erislandy Lara beat up, battered, bloodied, broke down, and busted Paul Williams over 12 rounds, clearly out-fighting Williams and obviously winning the fight. I mean obviously winning the fight. I mean obviously winning the fight.
Instead, we got Lara losing on scores of 115-114, 116-114 and 114-114. "What you see is what you get," said Williams ("40-2", 27 KO). That's a lie. A pure lie. We saw Paul Williams lose tonight. What we got was three inexperienced judges giving Paul Williams the nod in a complete farce that perfectly explains the single biggest problem in boxing today: These judges have no accountability and they're either incompetent or on the take. It's one of the two. It really is one of the two, period. Either this stuff is being completely corrupted, or the judges assigned to the fights should not be there.
This happens ALL THE TIME in boxing. It is not rare. It happens constantly. And it's to the point now where I'd forgive any single person on earth for going, "You know what? Screw this. Why am I watching this? It's not a level playing field. The favorites get the edge no matter what happens. And something stinks. So forget about boxing."
Erislandy Lara ("15-1-1", 10 KO) punished Paul Williams with left hands all night. The same left hands that knocked out Williams against Sergio Martinez last November. Williams made zero changes in his approach and paid the price all night for it. He was largely dominated. Paul Williams was tough, and he was game, but he clearly, clearly, clearly lost this fight. It was not close. You don't get rounds for staying up, and that's about the only way I can see giving Williams more than four rounds in this fight.
Bad Left Hook will have more tomorrow. I can't say a whole lot more. There are only so many ways I can say this without getting incredibly obscene, and I try to keep that off of our front page. I really do try. But this is pushing it. If a fighter like Erislandy Lara isn't going to be given a fair chance in a fight like this, no matter what he does short of knocking Paul Williams out, why should he even fight? Why should we watch? And why do we keep going out of our way to prop up this complete idiocy? We're not being a presented a sport but a physical, pre-determined drama in far too many cases. All Paul Williams had to do tonight, apparently, was not get knocked out. Well congratulations! You've done it again, boxing judges!
Remember all of this crap you put up with, and sit through, and endure, the next time some promoter whines about how hard it is to sell boxing to the public, and how they don't get enough support from the media or the fans or whatever. This sport digs its own grave constantly. Every time a few positive steps are taken, we get something like this, and it's just absurd that they expect people to buy into and believe in a sport where this happens so frequently.
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I’m sitting here ranting to myself and fuming over this crap. Lara took Paul to town, even the HBO boys were all over this and Paul should’ve been honest, how could he accept the victory like that? His own trainer knew he lost. Disgraceful.
Is there nothing that can be done? The commission should annul the decision and hand the victory to Lara.
Flood the airwaves.
Or in any case, pester the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board with all the (non-obscene) vitriol and disgust you can. It’s as simple as shooting a quick e-mail through:
http://www.nj.gov/oag/sacb/feedback.html
Who knows if it’ll be productive, but it’s something you can do as quickly as you can fire a comment here.
Because man, did those cards suck.
We’re already on it. We’ll let you know more tomorrow.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jul 10, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m a huge Williams fan but even I couldn’t see that going Williams’ way. I stopped scoring after the 6th. Wow.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
Yeah, I felt the same way
I like Paul a lot, and it was disappointing to see him make literally no adjustments all night and just get destroyed with lefts.
Lara wasn’t nearly as active as Paul, but landing 40% of your goddamn punches with over 500 thrown should get you the win when you’re landing the more damaging shots and the other guy is landing TWENTY FUCKING PERCENT (seriously).
It’s just sad, and I wish this stuff would just stop. It helps no one.
by ozymandius1024 on Jul 10, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Noise 2 is posted
with contact info for the New Jersey Athletic Commision, including a handy email form. Let’s rave to them.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
You know what the worst part of this was? Other than this crime, this was a great week full of great fights. Yet this dark side of boxing bullshit somehow manages to weigh the heaviest in your mind.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Four steps forward, 15 back. Then they’ll all cry when the media doesn’t give them credibility. Because THAT’S why they lack credibility as a sport.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jul 10, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
This is from Mark Ortega’s Twitter:
Al Bennett, one of the judges for Williams-Lara, had Malignaggi over Ngoudjo 117-111 in a close fight. Scored Woods-Johnson I for Woods.
Judge Hilton Whitaker III has rendered decisions for pretty much zero meaningful fights heading into tonight. #WilliamsLara #robbery
Judge Donald Givens has scored less than 30 fights, zero with the meaning of #WilliamsLara.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
ringers
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Just a week of Robberies going on everywhere
First,poor little Caylee gets robbed of Justice
Now, Lara gets robbed here,This fight wasn’t even close
Hey now Curtis
Just because the evidence is staring you in the face doesn’t mean you have to accept it! Legalize murder in Florida!!!
So close and yet so far. The story of my sports fandom.
by SSreporters on Jul 10, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
An open letter to NJAC would be nice. I know a lot of us sent letters and emails off to Missouri. There’s really nothing else to be done. Greenberg maybe? Promoters don’t give a shit, and probably have the blood on their hands, but what about distributors?
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Not a bad idea.
NJ is always in competition with us for fights, and I doubt Christie wants New York money flying out the door.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
We’re in contact with NJ.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jul 10, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Who says the distributors are innocent? They have plenty of power yet the robberies keep coming.
My guess is that the judges are doing it on their own, figuring that going with the house fighter or bigger name will make for more work in the future. No one is necessarily handing down orders for it to happen.
by drivlikejehu on Jul 10, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not saying they’re innocent. I;m saying it could be an avenue to pursue with a financial stake in good judging.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
To be absolutely as charitable as possible, we’ve seen with the Benoist card and the scores in the abbreviated Cintron fight, ringside judges just seem to love Williams’ activity. Yet even if we take nefarious motives out of the equation, this kind of incompetence is completely unacceptable. Further, even if the judges were not themselves corrupt, the fact that such inexperienced persons were selected for an HBO main event makes it look like whoever cast them in this role was.
He wasn't even as active as usual
He was being beaten to the punch and dominated.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
He did end up throwing almost 500 more punches, even though he still failed to land as many as Lara did. Merely appearing active, at least in his case, seems to trump anything related to effective punching.
Actually it seems more to me like we’re dealing with corruption or incompetence. Why take out nefarious motives? They’re obvious.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jul 10, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I was just taking out nefarious motives on the part of the judges to pose complete incompetence as a semi-plausible explanation besides outright corruption. I do think however that with a decision this terrible it’s difficult to believe that there wasn’t corruption on either their part or that of the commission.
It’s the reason that everyone wants leverage over every detail of a fight. Lara had no leverage, so judges and ref were off the table for him. He was getting his “shot.”
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Yeah, there’s really no innocent explanation. It’s not a “I saw it this way” sort of fight. Something is rotten.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Here’s the email form for the New Jersey Attorney General’s Office,which oversees the Commission.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
http://www.nj.gov/lps/formmail.htm
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Yeah...
I don’t get the uproar over that one… I actually had Sturm winning… I guess it’s just because it took place in Germany maybe?
everything in Germany = robbery
if German fighter won close fight
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Jul 10, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I gotta say it was a little surreal listening to Roy Jones talk about another fighter needing to retire for his own good because he’s taking too much damage. Hopefully Roy applies that to his own situation too…Lara could not miss with that left hand, just as Martinez couldn’t. And as for what George Peterson saying “you can’t prepare for a punch you can’t see,” yes you can by keeping your free hand at your temple….
that is what I was thinking to myself.
it was like he was admitting that he was taking years off of his own life.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 10, 2011 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I think these fights are fixed
Not from the fighters themselves, but a pre-determined agenda agreed upon by the judges without having it look too egregious.
It has to be more than just a whole string of incompetence. There’s no way it can be that.
So close and yet so far. The story of my sports fandom.
I would believe this
It just seems that they finally may have stepped so far over the line on this one that, just maybe, some good could come out of this.
I think many pro sports are more fixed than people believe. these are after all a business first.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 10, 2011 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
As for the fight itself
It’s a little concerning Williams’ conditioning wasn’t there.
I think he’s finished as a top contender.
So close and yet so far. The story of my sports fandom.
sergio martinez took care of the contender part. lol
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 10, 2011 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
that decision was just fucking gross
I’m a huge Williams fan, but that man got his ass whupped tonight
them judges need to be investigated and jailed
I can't believe what I just saw
I know I should know better by now, but I’m not sure I’ve ever seen such a complete and outright robbery to this extent before. Such a great weekend of fights pretty much ruined by one massively shameful decision.
Hilton Whitaker III keeps getting work somehow. He is someone’s hatchet man.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Just to try to put you guys at ease on the “is someone pushing the issue with the AC?” thing.
I’ve been talking to New Jersey already. Sometime in the next 48 hours (Sundays are always rough) I’ll be talking to someone very high up in the athletic commission about the fight and the judging. I’ve been down these roads plenty of times in the past with MMA, I’m gladly using my contacts to try and get info for BLH. This was the kind of fight where we need to see things through and push the issue.
It’s on the fans and media to make this stuff count, because the promoters just want the W for the star and the athletic commission won’t push the issue if they’re not forced to.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 10, 2011 1:13 AM EDT reply actions
Will this get a mention on BE?
Because I haven’t had enough “a boxing post on an MMA blog?” talk lately.
So close and yet so far. The story of my sports fandom.
Who knows?
There’s nothing going on MMA wise, so maybe to “meet my quotas” it will.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 10, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, Brookhouse.
Could you also press to get photos of the scorecards? I really would like to see the individual rounds these guys turned in.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Sure, I’ll press them.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 10, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
trainer
Williams needs new trainers. The boy couldn’t avoid a left hook if it was magnetically opposite his face.
this man may be on to something
@mauroranallo
mauro r
I don’t want to see a re-match between Williams and Lara. I want to see Lara vs the 3 judges! Commissions: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
Yeah someone said there should be a rematch. Why? What did Paul Williams do to deserve a rematch?
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Jul 10, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
As a Williams' fan
I hope I never see him fight again
I don’t need to see him fighting overmatched bums and he either can’t or won’t make the necessary changes not just to compete with the best, but protect his long term health
by StillUnknown on Jul 10, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Even in a “for justice for Lara!” way I don’t want to see it. I was already worried about Williams’ health taking that many shots tonight, I don’t need to see him take 12 rounds more
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 10, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
yup – i mentioned it in the fight thread, but the bigger tragedy would be if this result tricks Williams & co. into thinking they should step into the ring again, much less against any other southpaw, much much less against sergio.
Roy did get it right when he said “if it was Sergio, Paul would be in the hospital.”
If only the doctor would heed his own advice.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
You could kinda tell
Max wanted to tell that to Roy as Roy was explaining the downfall of taking so much punishment
by StillUnknown on Jul 10, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
You should post to BE....
Showing had bad the 3 pt system can work even in boxing. Can you think of an MMA fight that was this bad of a decision?? Even ones like Hamill-Bisping aren’t even close.
I can’t think of a similar MMA decision. I can think of a lot of MMA decisions I didn’t like (by the way, I totally scored Bisping/Hamill for Bisping). But the relatively small number of rounds in an MMA fight make for less of a chance to make a case. I mean, if each guy wins a round then you only have one round to decide the fight. in a fight like last night you have 12 rounds to score and when 7-10 of them are really clear, it’s a much easier case to make.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 10, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Banned
For that being your very first comment.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Correct
It wasn’t a robbery, it was grand theft.
by Verklemptomaniac on Jul 10, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep, you are the only two
Congratulations.
by ozymandius1024 on Jul 10, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was bad – I thought Alexander v. Mathysse was worse.
I sensed this one going down this way, due to the way it finished. I bet the judges gave Paul the last 3 rounds going away.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
You know what? I’m ready for everyone here to tear me to shreds. I had the fight 114-114. I watched with my dad, who had it 116-112 Lara. All fight, the commentators ignored whatever Williams did. Did Lara land the bigger punches (overhand lefts)? Yes. But there were a lot of close rounds that could have gone either way, and landing one big overhand left doesn’t automatically win you the round, no matter what the biased HBO announcers want you to believe. So yes, everyone, go ahead, go rip me apart. I’ll stand by my decision because that’s how I saw the fight, no matter what everyone else thinks.
You are not banned, because you are earnest. But, you have no idea how to score fights. Listen to your dad. Let him take you fishing or something.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I DO mind actually
Please do not tempt me.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
This was asked on Twitter and I know you and I both have strong feelings on this one: Casamayor-Santa Cruz or this one? What was worse? Even shittiness?
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jul 10, 2011 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
This is tied with Casamayor-Santa Cruz for pure, unadulterated what-the-fuckness, but it somehow seems more dirty.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Funny
I was at Casa Santa Cruz live an scored it for Casa. But I was also very drunk, so who knows.
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by Brickhaus on Jul 10, 2011 2:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was there too Brick.
I don’t find your scoring of it funny at all… and neither did most of the crowd, if you recall.
Betty Ford may be in your future.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
You know what bothers me Scott? I took some heat for having Diaz-Malignaggi I “the wrong way.” And I didn’t much mind it. It was a close fight, and I was happy to argue the particulars. I’ve now seen two fights in as many weeks that a blind, deaf invalid in a coma could score correctly, and I’ve seen brave dudes get the shaft. For god sakes, Paulie and Juan will be just fine, but Lara escaped from Cuba twice in an antique motorboat to get shafted.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
You’re wrong. Sorry, I don’t have anything more eloquent than that. The judges were wrong, Chris Mannix is wrong, you’re wrong.
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=williams-lara-compubox
There’s CompuBox. Williams did nothing effectively. He landed 19% of his punches.
Basically every card I’ve seen is at least 8-4 for Lara except the judges and Chris Mannix.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jul 10, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's the problem
Williams threw a lot of punches. Most of them missed. The ones that landed were mostly little slappy arm punches on the inside, while Lara was repeatedly cracking him with reasonably powerful overhand rights that had visible effect on PW.
Really, the only shot PW landed all night that had any effect on Lara was the headbutt that caused the alien head.
by Verklemptomaniac on Jul 10, 2011 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
the alien head.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 10, 2011 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I had the same card as your Dad – but Lara didn’t do much the last 3 rounds, and thereby opened himself up for a robbery.
It was bad, though.
The thing is, as bad as this was – I bet there were at least 3 other fights across the US last night, off tv, where cards were equally as bad. I think boxing, at some recent point, got really corrupt again.
I don’t think it’s an accident or due to incompetent judges – the shit is planned out.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
The worst decision ever?
I’m trying to think back because I’ve watched a lot of combat sports material (mostly mma) and I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a clearly bad decision. I scored the fight 118-110, and personally I thought I was being generous in giving Tall Paul 2 rounds. What you guys think?
There have been some twisted crimes over the years, and this one ranks down there in the bottom of the toilet bowl with the rest of them. This is there with Casamayor-Santa Cruz, Augustus-Burton, Lewis-Holyfield I, Gomez-Lockridge, etc. This makes Sergio’s “draw” with Cintron look as clean as snow, and even manages to take a tiny bit of the stink off of the judges mugging of Matthysse a couple weeks ago, which is hard to believe.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
and even manages to take a tiny bit of the stink off of the judges mugging of Matthysse a couple weeks ago, which is hard to believe.
I know this is true, but I’m already getting infuriated by comments I’m seeing elsewhere that try to use tonight’s as some kind of excuse/justfication for what happened in St. Louis (“Alexander-Matthysse was a close fight while tonight was an actual robbery”).
Yeah Alexander vs Matthysse wasn’t close either. This wasn’t a robbery, it was 100% bona fide bull shit.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jul 10, 2011 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t mean to say that it wasn’t a robbery. Matthyesse got mugged, stabbed, shot and thrown in the river by those judges. It’s just that Lara’s loss added insult to injury by coming right on top of it.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I thought Mathysse’s was worse.
But I’ll tell you – the two together have me basically resigned to the belief that somewhere we entered an era of systemic corruption.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
I can tell you what would force a fix
a class action lawsuit by those in attendence
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by la flama blanca on Jul 10, 2011 2:01 AM EDT reply actions
It's funny
The Cintron-Molina decision was coming in and I was scared the judges would “give” the fight to Cintron, but moving into the Williams-Lara cards I was convinced nobody in their right mind could give the fight to Williams. i guess i was wrong.
I figured the clear and obvious and constant physical damage that Lara was doing would give him the win. What the hell do I know!!
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jul 10, 2011 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
The incredible thing
is that all three judges got it so wrong. Usually you’ll see one judge with a proper score, one judge with a somewhat wrong score, and one with a completely indefensible score. Here, you could have gotten better results with Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder and Eugenia Williams judging.
by Verklemptomaniac on Jul 10, 2011 2:10 AM EDT reply actions
unless its rigged
in which case it isn’t incredible at all
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 10, 2011 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Let’s not go nuts with Eugenia Williams.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Jul 10, 2011 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
sad thing is
this decision is going to take alot of attention away from Rios/Antillon which was greatness
Hell, the rest of the whole weekend was also worthy of attention
If only this decision went the right way, this weekend’s results would have been one of the best weekends of action in a long time. Great KOs on FNF, Molina stepping up against Cintron, the complete, unadulterated joy of Rico Ramos, and of course the non-stop action of Rios/Antillion.
Sigh.
I'd make some snide MMA comment
but really it’s unwarranted and MMA has its own problems with judging. This was pretty fkn egregious tho.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 10, 2011 2:16 AM EDT reply actions
Don't get me wrong
I watch a shit load of boxing too. However, I just watch mma more. I didn’t mean to demean boxing with my comment at all. I apologize if it came off that way.
i wasn't talking about you
strange GiS for that phrase
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 10, 2011 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I have nothing new to add to this thread, but for what it’s worth, I’m another Paul Williams fan who recognizes that this was a robbery. I was stunned for a moment when they announced the scores. I gave Williams three rounds on my card, and I felt I was being a little too generous, because I had him for my pick em choice, and I’ve always just liked the guy, even though he fights so wrong for his frame.
I’ll follow up and send my email to Jersey and wherever else tomorrow when I wake up.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Cintron looked nearly as shot as Williams tonight, by the way.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Cintron looked awful. No confidence, no rhythm, no power, no offense.
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by Scott Christ on Jul 10, 2011 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
stupid fight to take as a comeback. Tough busy dude with a decent chin. Cintron was competitive by the end of the fight, but lost in the beginning. Like a guy who has mental problems and has been out of the ring for 14 months.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
can all three judges have rigged the fight?
114-114,115-114 Williams,116-114 Williams
with the score so close that would be the only way as they were all three really close. who pays the judges? do judges have the leniency to judge in their own manner for things that they look for? what are the rules for judging?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
When the decision was coming down, I thought to myself, “This is going to be closer on the cards than it appeared to be,” meaning I thought Lara would win by 115-113 type scores rather than 118-110. No way did I ever think they’d give Williams the decision.
WIlliams looks pretty bad. He’s slow as molasses, both in hands and feet, and throws almost entirely arm punches. And that “defense”… sheesh. He looked like complete ass in there.
Typical garbage from this sport. Fighters work like hell, and they get rewarded with incompetence of the highest order.
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It is truly a shame – especially because of where these guys come from. They’re not figure skaters (also dicey judging), they’re poor guys who come from “unfair” backgrounds. This kind of shit, for a Cuban refugee is beyond the pail.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
it's haymon
that dude is bad for the sport. I don’t know what kind of leverage he has, but he clearly has a lot of it. And I feel this is his doing, I’m certain of it.
by erasedcitizen on Jul 10, 2011 9:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
The last two paragraphs of this post
should be plastered on every judges and promoter’s wall across the country for boxing and mma.
I’m getting rather sick of this stuff…
http://fistonchin.com http://brightlightssports.com
We should have a list of judges
and their correspondingly shit cards. That way, we can keep track of this shit. One of the judges last night gave Zab the fight against Mathysse. Two weeks ago, the Minnesota judge did the same. We could try to keep track of those presumably on the take.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
That'a a good idea.
Take names, ask questions publicly. Here’s a few to start with:
Mike Dallas jr. vs. Mauricio Herrera:
Zac Young 95-95; Fritz Werner 92-98; Alejandro Rochin Mapule 94-96
Zab Judah vs Lucas Mattysse:
Joseph Pasquale 13-114; Hilton Whitaker III 113-114; Weleska Roldon 114-113
Devon Alexander vs. Lucas Matthysse:
Carlos Colon 93-96; Denny Nelson 94-95; Brett Miller 96-93
Paul Williams vs Erislandy Lara:
Al Bennett 114-114; Hilton Whitaker III 114-115; Donald Givens 114-116
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Don't forget
That the ringer Denny Nelson also gave the Kotelnyk fight to Alexander 116-112.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Hell, why don’t we start a website called “Three Blind Mice” or something, and use it as a place to post robberies and list info of all officials, promoters managers and involved, as well as contact information for complaints. It could be a sort of launching pad and a way to keep the names of these crooks in a permanent place for all to see.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
"...managers and distributors involced..."
Not meaning that ALL are corrupt and involved in this stuff, but that it would be easier to connect dots and keep the spotlight on all the players involved, to maybe incourage self-policing.
Bad Left Hook
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Do they tell judges to punish excessively for holding in judging school?
Lara was doing a fair bit of holding in the fight last night, could the judges possibly punished him for that? Also 116-114? What’s up with that? Two 10-10 rounds I guess but then you would have Paul only losing 4 rounds. How the hell is that even remotely possible? Look I’m a big tall Paul fan, but he lost the hell out of that fight. He got hit with the harder, more effective shots, and really couldn’t rock Lara at all despite carrying an extra 10 lbs. His punches had little power and didn’t look like the same fighter who gave Sergio Martinez trouble two fights ago. This decision is obviously a farce and doesn’t reflect well on the sport of boxing.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
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