Juan Manuel Marquez Drills Likar Ramos, Moves On to Manny Pacquiao
by Scott Christ on Jul 16, 2011 11:26 PM EDT
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Juan Manuel Marquez made quick work of lousy Colombian club fighter Likar Ramos tonight in Cancun, knocking Ramos out in 47 seconds with a straight right hand to move on to his November 12 trilogy fight with Manny Pacquiao.
Marquez (53-5-1, 39 KO) was never going to lose this fight, the only concern being a potential injury. But a right hand caught Ramos (24-4, 18 KO) and knocked him flat out, though many are questioning the validity of the knockout, and some suspect one of two things:
- A fix was in. I disagree.
- Ramos went ahead and played dead, wanting nothing to do with Marquez. This I could imagine being feasible, to be honest.
Let's be very clear: Ramos, despite his fairly OK-looking record, is really, really bad. He wasn't even in Marquez's universe, and this fight was a terrible matchup. Ramos cannot fight. When he fought Jorge Solis, he was demolished, and forgive me, but Jorge Solis is no Juan Manuel Marquez.
What I think we saw here was a top five pound-for-pound fighter against a bad Colombian club fighter. I wouldn't expect Ramos to win many Friday Night Fights co-feature fights, either, to be honest. He's truly not a good fighter, and his charity interim belt at 130 pounds was a farce. He was not in any way other than injury or cuts a dangerous proposition for Marquez, who could flatten a lot of guys who are probably five times better than Ramos.
If that sounds like I'm being harsh, it should. But the reality is that Marquez got in a training camp, which means he won't have a full year off before facing Pacquiao in November. That's all this fight was about. It was more about camp than about the fight itself. I don't think it was a "fix" or a true dive -- as in, I don't think Marquez had the knowledge that Ramos was going down in 47 seconds -- but no, I would not truthfully be surprised if Ramos just decided that it was pointless to go on, and he cashed his check and went home as soon as he was thumped with a good shot, and it was a good shot.
We thank you for joining us tonight, and thank Top Rank for what was a truly exceptional stream tonight. With their streaming improved, we can all now genuinely look forward to off-TV undercards and things of that nature in the future. They did a great job upgrading their service with this card.
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Yeah, stream was excellent even if the marquee fights were one-sided. Quality was so good I forgot it was a stream!
It’s the second best stream I’ve ever seen. Those who had the same stream I had for Adamek vs Golota can back up the beauty of that stream. It was unreal.
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by Scott Christ on Jul 16, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I have no intention of patronizing Top Rank regardless of the quality of their fights and/or their streams. Bob Arum is a low life and I will be damned if I put another red cent in his pocket.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I know your joke and all but Arum had about as much to do with the stream as I do in making Manny Pacquiao’s next fight.
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by Scott Christ on Jul 17, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
If it is a product of their investment in making fights available through their site and the improvement of their stream, they deserve credit. The key word is investment; something they do quite a bit toward promoting their product.
It’s not an either or. If they make bad fights and have bad distribution, they deserve criticism and they’ll get it. If they make good ones, then props to them.
What makes me laugh is the general criticism bordering on cynicism that forgets that it is the promoters who puts their money where their mouths are in bringing what for all intents and purposes are the fights we all obviously enjoy.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
if he wanted none of marquez why would he take the fight
seriously rigged
because he needs money?
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by Scott Christ on Jul 17, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
sure he needs money, but he's a professional boxer before anything.
you don’t just give up in the biggest fight of your life without trying to test the waters. there’s a reason why he became a professional in the first place.
You hold “professional boxer” to a higher standard than I do. Likar Ramos is kind of a professional boxer.
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by Scott Christ on Jul 17, 2011 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he see himself as someone trying to pay the bills more than annything else.
You may not like that aspect of fighting (I don´t like it either) but the fact is I doubt Ramos think about boxing as anny type of career or real competition, and more as a way of earning a living, and there are lots of fighters just like him. He probably got a decent paycheck (compared to what he usaly gets offcourse, not compared to what anny name fighters get) and is more concerned about not taking damadge, so he can fight soon again, than desperatly trying to do something in a fight he knows he have no chance in.
I agree with Scott here. He went down from a pretty good punch and decided to play dead (and not that well, to be honest, allthough it might be hard to really play unconsious) so he could go home without taking a beating or actually getting KOed..
It´s an aspect about boxing none of us likes, but at the same time, I have a hard time blaming Ramos for doing what might be all he knows to survive.
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To clarify...
… I don´t think it was rigged in the way where Ramos was told he had to go down and out in the first round, but he was brought in to lose and he knew that, without it ever being said. After a while, people in this sport learn their role, without annyone actually “rigging” annything.
Could he have been told? Sure, but there was no real need to do that.
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The world became a less amazing place on June 18 2011, with the death of Clarence Clemons. R.I.P. Big Man, you will be sorely missed.
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I don’t see “fix”, but every time I’ve seen a fighter knocked out cold their body goes limp before hitting the canvas. Ramos just staggered to the canvas from a LEGITIMATE power punch.
Ramos probably thought, “fuck this shit, I’m taking a nap before heading out to the bars with Uribe”.
why else would top rank not want to promote this fight on hbo/showtime?
the marquez brothers are pretty decent draws, despite the competition
Because except for gonzalez, largely unknown in the US and UK, they were all walkover fights and HBO knew it. They weren’t HBO-worthy fights, nevermind the Marquezes.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Uh, because HBO and Showtime had no interest in buying these fights? HBO and Showtime were not spending any of their budget on these fights. They were just tune-ups.
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by Scott Christ on Jul 17, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup thats exactly how it went
he wanted no more. A fix though? Hardly. JMM would’ve put him out next round if he made it out of the 1st
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
How about Ramos v Cook next.
See who falls over first?
by Phill on Jul 17, 2011 5:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Can we get a write up on the Uribe fight?
That shit was epic, the world needs to know.
Love JMM but that KO looked fake
I don’t think it’s a fix but I think the guy just didn’t want to continue
by Mohammedini Hussein on Jul 17, 2011 7:16 AM EDT reply actions
Not Fixed
The guy gave up sure, but its not like he would have went the distance with JMM
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
Looked at it again and it was a dive on Ramos’ part. You can see him clearly look at Marquez right before he does his fake KO bit. Weather Marquez was in on it or not, I don’t know but yeah, somebody planned it to make him look like a Mexican Lightweight Superman and try to scare Pacquiao. Good luck with that.
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