Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Trent Richardson Interviews Fellow Brown Brandon Weeden

Dana White Rips Bob Arum: "You're a Greedy Pig Who Never Invested a Dime Into Boxing's Future"

Bob Arum has been slammed by UFC's Dana White for not investing in the future of boxing, and for jealousy toward UFC. (Photo by Ethan Miller/Getty Images)

With Bob Arum having recently shrugged off/joked his way through comments about the UFC's debut on Fox on November 12, where they'll go head-to-head against the first hour of the Manny Pacquiao pay-per-view card, there has been plenty of talk about the different business models, about the way the two sports are promoted, and about their crossover -- or lack thereof -- and how that impacts the sports.

But Arum also said that he didn't care about the UFC, and wasn't worried about them. Speaking to Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports, UFC's Dana White decided he'd argue that stance, and says that Todd duBuoef "went crazy," and referred to Arum's son-in-law as "Todd Arum." duBoef is friends with Lawrence Epstein, the executive VP of Zuffa, the company that owns UFC, so White may indeed have this information and not just be talking.

"Let me tell you what: Todd Arum went crazy when he found out that we were going the same night as them," White told Yahoo! Sports. "He went crazy and called everyone in the industry flipping out. And Bob Arum is a jealous moron. Bob Arum had the ability to do great things for the sport of boxing. I don’t know if he wasn’t smart enough to do what we did or whatever, but when we first came out with this thing, this guy laughed at us. He said how stupid the Fertittas were and that this thing was ridiculous and it would never be a sport.

"Now, all he does is run around [expletive] and complaining about it. You had the ability, Bob Arum, to make boxing great. But the problem was, you were greedy. You’re a greedy pig, just like all the other guys who were involved in boxing. All you ever did was try to rip money out of it. You never invested a dime into the sport of boxing to make it great, to make it last, to create a future for boxing. He’s nothing but a greedy pig and his jealousy shows non-stop."

The truth is, I don't think there are many out there who would totally disagree with Dana White's stance here. He is, to be 100% honest, a far better promoter than anyone currently working in boxing. That's my opinion -- you may share it, you may not, but I don't think one key thing is disputable, and that's that UFC and Dana White and the Fertittas are far better tapped into modern culture than boxing promoters are. Which is why UFC is going to Fox, because they actually have the advertisers that are coveted by networks for prime time programming. Boxing does not have those advertisers, and they don't reach that demographic.

Star-divide

Is White harsh here? Sure. Is it deserved? Arguably it is. Maybe you think it's not, but I think Dana White -- and I'm not the world's biggest fan of Dana White and his verbal diarrhea, but I do think he's a terrific promoter -- is fairly well on the money here.

More question-talking: Does Bob Arum invest and risk money? Of course he does. But has he helped grow the sport any in recent years? Has anyone in boxing really tried to grow the sport? I don't think you can say that they really have. I don't think that, with the way they've operated the last 20+ years, they even really have the chance with the way they currently do business. The way they do business has to change. Not because they can't co-exist with UFC forever, because they can. But because boxing can't stay stagnant forever. Eventually it's either going to get better or get worse, and when you compare TV ratings from even eight years ago to what they are now, it's alarming how far the sport of boxing has dropped in terms of public appeal in the United States. That they've stabilized recently is nice, but it just means the ship isn't leaking anymore. Now it's time to get the water out of there.

Now, I don't know that Arum is jealous of UFC. If anything, again, I don't think he gets it, and it may be more of a fear of the unknown sort of thing. I'm not making an age joke here, but Bob Arum is 79 years old. How many 79-year-old guys who have been involved in boxing for decades upon decades do you think really understand what UFC is doing, or see it as something viable that could at least in part be applied to their own business? The UFC model is almost nothing like boxing except that they promote legitimate fights, fights that don't resemble boxing, and the biggest revenues come from pay-per-view. Otherwise, Dana White and UFC have really done things opposite of the way boxing promoters have done them.

Arum has in the past blasted HBO for things that apply here:

“The problem HBO Sports got into is they became defenders of the status quo,” Arum said. “They held you back because they had control.”

The status quo in boxing has been in place for years, and it's not just HBO at fault. While boxing promoters have continued on with the same old tactics that have driven away millions of viewers, UFC has come along and aggressively and steadily made headway toward mainstream acceptance and a true breakthrough for a combat sport in the States.

As a boxing fan, I will say that in some ways I'm jealous of what MMA-first fans have as a product. The MMA game itself will never overtake boxing in my personal world. I will always be a boxing fan first, because I like the sport of boxing better. But to think that boxing promoters are on level with Dana White right now is, in my mind, just silly. They're behind the curve, and even the ones who will admit that (Lou DiBella, for instance) are not doing much to actually change their business.

Comment 41 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

I gotta agree with Dana White but maybe he could’ve been a little more professional about it. The thing is I’m pretty sure Arum is surrounded by money hungry yes men and all he needs to do is runback to them and have them tell him what he wants to hear.

Is it well deserved? Yea, cause he’s sheltering his fighters for the purpose of keeping money in house. It’s like he’s trying to create a boxing organization like the UFC and all the other promoters are Bellator and Dream and other organizations. The difference is the fighters are never picked out to showcase who’s the best anymore.

Me > Ben Henderson
@KrimsonTVN
DIA2ill.com coming soon....

by Krimson on Aug 23, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I gotta agree with Dana White but maybe he could’ve been a little more professional about it.

Well if we had a nickel for every time this was true, we’d have like, three bucks.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Aug 23, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I gotta agree with Dana White but maybe he could’ve been a little more professional about it.

I’ve heard some nasty things coming out of Arum’s mouth, yes even worse than Dana White’s. For instance, he said that MMA was for white skin heads with tattoos, among other jokes. The thing is that everyone gives him a pass because they see him as a senile old man, which is not the case.

by XxZeus07xX on Aug 23, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing is that everyone gives him a pass because they see him as a senile old man, which is not the case.

Believe me Arum is a villain in many boxing circles. He does not get a free ride. Most people think those sort of comments are ignorant and foolish. He’s dismissing a lot of potential boxing fans.

 But Scott is right. He’s almost 80 and he’s out of touch. To him MMA looks “gay” and trashy and whatever else he’s said, because he has no clue what young people like anymore, or what would attract young fans.

by Sammlung on Aug 23, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arum may be an old man.

But senility aside, he never gets a free pass in boxing circles. Every time Chavez Jr. signs a fight his name is cursed. Everytime Pacquiao signs to fight an aging “name”, he gets the business. There are multiple signatures worn by website regulars here that I believe threaten bodily harm to him or ally him with the forces of Hell. I’m not aruging that these things aren’t deserved, but I don’t think Arum ever is “given a pass”.

by Quickhooks on Aug 23, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've never given him a pass

That interview where he dropped the skinhead line was with a Jewish guy, Ariel Helwani, holding the mic in front of him. I have repeatedly called him an asshole, shithead and any other curse word that pops up whenever it comes time to describe Bob Arum. As you can probably tell from my name, I’m of Jewish ancestry, so again, Arum can suck a fat one.

The artful muppet formerly known as KrmtDfrog.
Please read my sardonic wit and over-blown sense of self over at headkicklegend.com

by Cory Braiterman on Aug 25, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

On Dana White's lack of professionalism

You know what. He’s not going to change his spots or colors any time soon.
What you see is what you get.

I really don’t mind, he’s a character unto himself, and he’s a f****** promoter.

I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
- - - - -
VEe is ANIMated!

by VeeisAnimated on Aug 23, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

True and being an MMA fan I should be used to it but he was talking about an old man who is way out of touch and probably looks at him and the UFC as some young hotshot upstart trying to take over the business. He’s not willing to change or adapt to today’s times and he can’t see it.

I just wish sometimes that Dana White said these things at “their level” so they can understnad and not see him as a whippersnapper who drops F bombs

Me > Ben Henderson
@KrimsonTVN
DIA2ill.com coming soon....

by Krimson on Aug 23, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The one thing that has stood out to me that boxing did was the Super Six, it wasn’t the greatest event ever but I did like that they tried to mix it up a bit.

Boxing needs to do something, I’m not smart enough to know what it is but something should be done to get new fans excited.

by IRodC on Aug 23, 2011 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with this. I see that as someone in boxing at least trying something different to try and gain fans.

by KyleAskine on Aug 23, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is, to be 100% honest, a far better promoter than anyone currently working in boxing. That’s my opinion — you may share it, you may not

I agree 100%. And he’s right, Arum and the whole lot of boxing promoters are greedy bastards. It’s like I was saying yesterday, and many others as well, Dana White and Zuffa have made great investments for the future of the UFC. Perhaps any given event doesn’t make a ton of money, but the pie is growing as MMA gains mainstream acceptance (which has happened at a remarkable pace).

For now at least, boxing really has to follow the UFC’s lead, because they have been on the ball making moves while boxing’s backers have been asleep at the wheel content with the occassional ppv blockbuster, putting fights in Vegas or even better the Silverdome, that draw pathetic crowds, and fighting for spots on HBO and Showtime.

by Sammlung on Aug 23, 2011 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

ARUM/WHITE

The pot calling the kettle black? UFC is ridiculously overexposing itself, TOO MUCH ALREADY,Greed isn’t Good, Boxing already made this mistake in the 50’s. Boxing seems to be pulling back a little and putting on quality PPV lately. The mystique is gone from the UFC, some
of the combatants are obviously on the juice, they need to go to Olympic testing, boxing
should also. Both sports need to scale back on the Tatoo’s,some of these dudes look
ridiculous.

by JZZY on Aug 23, 2011 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

JZZY, is your last name Arum?
Both sports need to scale back on the Tatoo’s,some of these dudes look
ridiculous

What does the look of the athlete have to do with anything? Thing is, most of those tatted up guys are pretty articulate once you put a mike to their face. Do you really want Arum or White to dismiss guys from their promotional stables because they have too many tattoos?

by XxZeus07xX on Aug 23, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

  • Some of the combatants are obviously on the juice. No arguments from me on that point BUT . . . let he (any major sport) who has not sinned (juiced) cast the first stone. An argument can be made.
  • Overexposing itself? Ehhh I don’t know about that. I don’t pay for all UFC PPVs, but I try to watch them. Keep in mind, when you say Boxing is starting to put on quality PPV . . . that happens to be the norm in MMA. Forget the UFC, Bellator, Strikeforce, MFC, even M-1 produces quality shows for FREE. The events are not ALL about the the main event so you’re able to see more than 2 superstsars.
  • "
    What does the look of the athlete have to do with anything?" – XxZeus07xX

I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
- - - - -
VEe is ANIMated!

by VeeisAnimated on Aug 23, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other than Dana, can you name another MMA promoter off the top of your head?

Chances are most can’t.

Dana has swallowed and destroyed a ton of smaller organizations. He has always been loathe to co-promotion. The fact that he manages the MMA monopoly makes investing in the future a requirement. Dana has invested in his company the UFC, but not in MMA as a whole. He is more than happy to destroy smaller orgs.

With competing promoters in boxing, they are looking for their own interests before the sport as a whole, which is why the sport is stagnating.

Dana is right BTW and I agree with him. But you need to see the circumstances under which he is making his statements to understand what is happening in both sports.

by cyke on Aug 23, 2011 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

There are pros and cons to one organization being the dominant one. Big fights get made, but fighters don’t have anywhere to go when they are out of Zuffa’s hands.

by IRodC on Aug 23, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, that’s my point.

Since Dana doesn’t have to worry much about competition, he can invest in his franchise to grow it. UFC on Fox won’t benefit King of the cage, Bellator or M-1. It only helps UFC.

Although UFC can get fights made i’m still waiting for those Silva-GSP, Fitch-KOS fights.

by cyke on Aug 23, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to think that MMA potentially getting bigger helps other promotions. UFC on Fox probably helps out MMA in general.

by discoandherpes on Aug 25, 2011 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Scott Coker, Bjorn Rebney, Tom Atencio, Jared Shaw (i know i know)…..

As far as DW destroying smaller orgs, don’t think for a second that if Arum or Golden Boy had the opportunity to pick up all the top fighters and put each other out of bussiness they would pass up on it. It’s just a different bussiness model more closely based on other top leagues in the U.S. such as the NFL, MLB, NBA etc. If any of those major sports were ran like boxing, we’d have 4 super bowls, no rivalries and a bunch of pissed off people.

I hope I’m not coming off as a boxing hater, I LOVE boxing. I must be part of the 5% that really enjoys both sports. I honestly thought there was way more crossover than that. Out of my 10 or so friends that like MMA, 10 enjoy boxing as well so I find that number way way low. BLH should do a poll or something, I’m really curious.

by XxZeus07xX on Aug 23, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

First off, Coker and Atencio’s orgs are both owned by the UFC, Jared Shaw is a laughingstock.

Honestly, if Arum and others could bring all fighters under one umbrella, id be all for it as it would make for better fights within the promotion. Dana doesn’t have to worry about that competition. By competing against each other, promoters stagnate the sport by not making big fights or shouldering the expense for shows like boxing’s version of TUF.

by cyke on Aug 23, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

if Arum and others could bring all fighters under one umbrella, id be all for it as it would make for better fights within the promotion.

I don’t think this is true. Understanding a little about the current boxing matchmaking structure, sure this would allow some big fights to be made. What it would also allow for is these corrupt promotors to keep soft matching fighters even longer than they currently do now, imagine what would happen if Arum had a ton more options for JCC Jr. fights. For example I don’t think the even mildly challenging Manfredo Jr. fight gets made. The problem with boxing is that the undefeated record and the “championship fight” are the promotion end-all be-all. One loss and you’re halfway out the door in the mind of many boxing fans, and those fans influence casual fans, what few there are left. One of Dana White’s master-strokes was selling his fans on the idea that a loss was not the beginning of the end of a career, which has allowed him to put his stars in big fights. The fear of losing a “0” is a huge reason many big fights don’t happen in boxing, and its a huge problem.

by Quickhooks on Aug 23, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

There will always be weak fighters for stronger ones, coming under the same promotional umbrella wouldn’t increase that in any way. The thaw in relations between Top Rank and Golden Boy would create some great fights.

Losses will start to matter, in fact they do. It may not be about preserving the 0. Look at the log jam at 155. A loss sets you wayyyy back if youre looking for a championship. It is a problem in MMA too and will become worse soon.

by cyke on Aug 23, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he means in the sense that someone like BJ Penn is like 15-7, but still highly regarded

With two losses most boxers get written off as “shot” and whatever. In MMA there are tons of guys considered top tier and can draw fans with 5+ losses. The UFC has done a better job of hyping the “comeback.”

by HaterSlayer on Aug 24, 2011 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor was written off by many as shot once he lost a couple. There were calls for him to retire. Even Dana danced on his grave. You’re only thinking about Floyd and ignoring the other fighters.

There are plenty of guys with losses who fight on and draw in boxing. Micky Ward, Gatti and Augustus are some examples. Even Khan who was badly KO’d in his early career has come back.

by cyke on Aug 24, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Augustus and Ward were never major draws, but I do agree that it’s often overstated that fighters are written off in boxing too soon. Shane Mosley’s last two fights (losses 6 and 7) were major events. Oscar de la Hoya lost six fights, too. Bernard Hopkins has lost five. Judah and Margarito have both lost seven. Fighters are truly written off when it looks like their skills are gone. If they lose in good fights, or lose to top-tier fighters, then they’re always back. Once a guy has an established name in boxing, it’s far harder to get them to go away than it is to keep them going. Look at Jose Luis Castillo, who has been truly shot for years but keeps fighting.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Aug 24, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think that 5% number is low. In fact Ive seen first time MMA fans give boxing a shot.

by cyke on Aug 23, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that he manages the MMA monopoly makes investing in the future a requirement. Dana has invested in his company the UFC, but not in MMA as a whole. He is more than happy to destroy smaller orgs.

You are right, but I see this as much more of a positive than a negative. Some industries work best as a monopoly. Sports of all kinds are a good example. MLB, NBA, and the NFL are all monopolies, but have exemptions from anti-trust laws because they work a lot better than many smaller leagues competing against each other. You get a better end product than any other model that I know of.

by Sammlung on Aug 23, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

In boxing, no is thinking of the sport, they are thinking about how much money they can suck out of any fight. In the UFC, Zuffa is worried about the sport only so much as they have complete control over it and make sure the lions share goes to them and no one else.
I say a pox on both their houses.

by John Nash on Aug 23, 2011 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

We all have a tendency to ascribe credit or blame to people, rather than to forces, and I think the reasons why boxing and MMA have gone the way they have gone has more to do with outside factors than these two men. Dana White, for example, didn’t have decades of corruption and various structural problems built into his sport the way Arum has with boxing. It’s easier to shape something when you have less historical inertia pushing you along.

Has White been a more broad-minded promoter than Arum? Sure. But he also enjoys many advantages Arum does not with boxing.

Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Aug 23, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Dana White, for example, didn’t have decades of corruption and various structural problems built into his sport the way Arum has with boxing.

All due respect, but Arum had a major hand in structural problems and some of the corruption.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Aug 23, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, but he didn't invent the alphabet soup sanctioning nightmare that plagues boxing and its fans.

And he doesn’t enjoy the kind of monopoly White does.

I guess it sounds like I am defending Arum. I certainly don’t mean to. In most ways, he’s been more a part of the problem then the solution. But the problem is a lot bigger than he is.

Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Aug 23, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, but he didn’t invent the alphabet soup sanctioning nightmare that plagues boxing and its fans.

He didn’t invent it, but he’s gone right along with it, bribing sanctioning bodies and backing up their nonsense.

Indeed it is bigger than Bob, but I would only add that Arum’s one of the few guys in boxing in a powerful enough position to make some real changes in how the business works in the United States. Arum, Schaefer and Oscar at Golden Boy, and the networks. It’s nice that Top Rank and Golden Boy are once again working together — I feel that’s a major plus for the state of the game. But will it last? It never has before. The egos, the bullshit, all have to be put aside if anyone wants to make genuine strides. I do not know if Arum has the youth or overall vision to participate in any serious restructuring. He’s got a lot of old grudges. Also worrisome is that Oscar and Schaefer promised to be “different,” but they’re not. They’ve learned from the old guard and haven’t had the stones to do much differently, and their ineffective building of prospects throughout their (short) company history is no help either. But that’s more a boxing issue than a business issue — I just think their matchmaking and scouting are subpar in that department.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Aug 23, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do not know if Arum has the youth or overall vision to participate in any serious restructuring.

He doesn’t. As you intimated earlier, he’s an old man. Hell, he’s been a part of the old guard so long I’m sure he sees it as the natural way things work in boxing. He’s the last guy you would think of looking to for radical change to the sport.

And the fact that Golden Boy hasn’t done anything to change things either points back to my original point, I believe, which is that the problems in boxing are way beyond any one person.

You know more about this kind of thing than I do, but it seems to me that the most likely place to look for positive changes to the system and structure of boxing is from the networks. The calculus of their personal interests weighs more toward the kind of values we share as fans.

Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Aug 23, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing about Arum or Oscar or any boxing promoter is that there’s a collective action/free rider problem. If Arum does something for “the good of boxing,” he pays but everyone benefits. It’s just not realistic to expect anyone to do that. White is in a totally different position, at least for now. There’s no guarantee he can hold onto an MMA monopoly long-term.

Promoters like Arum do deserve criticism for not coming up with a solution to the problem or even recognizing the problem. They could make money both short and long-term by establishing some kind of overarching association. It would have to be far weaker than organizations like the NFL or MLB, but still a lot of good could come from it.

The best comparison would probably be the NCAA (for football and basketball anyway). Conferences are like promoters- they try to poach talent (programs) from other conferences and get the best media contracts. But they all agree on the basic rules and structure, e.g., scholarships, post-season play, etc. Boxing doesn’t need an all-powerful commish, but it does need something to compete effectively with other entertainment options.

by drivlikejehu on Aug 23, 2011 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

all promoters talk shit i wouldn’t be shocked if they had all walked out this drama to hype both events.dana is very good at marketing himself as a fan and friend of fighters first and a promoters second but he isn’t really he is just as ruthless as old bob

Larry Holmes
“All fighters are prostitutes and all promoters are pimps.”

by pong102 on Aug 23, 2011 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I dont see Arum changing anything for the sport of boxing. He is past it for any drastic change up that would take years and when its over he will be retired. He is making his money (and lots of it) and then leaving the sport. I wonder if when he is gone that Golden Boy might start a take over of boxing. Even if they did I cant see much of it changing, its been happening for years now and its the normal buisness for boxing

"A hero has faced it all: he need not be undefeated, but he must be undaunted." - Andrew Bernstein

by sigidy on Aug 23, 2011 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

When Dana white can earn his fighters as much money as Bob Arum and Golden Boy does theirs, his words will have more value.

Right now, with his monopoly over his sport and thusb his fighters, he’s operating the plantation, which like in the South was good for the owner but not so good for the laborers

The MMA will have it’s day of reckoning soon enough It’s Curt flood moment.
but for now the Zuffas, Fertitas and whites rule the roost. Unchallenged.

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Aug 24, 2011 3:34 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

At some point the fighters will realize there is more money to be made outside of DW.

by erod on Aug 24, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually fighters have found the opposite, just look at what happened to guys like Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski who left the UFC for supposed greener pastures. Both have become irrlevant to the sport and ended up looking like idiots for choosing a couple of big pay checks and leaving the UFC machine. The top UFC guys get paid plenty yet they also have to fight the top guys, the day that stops and guys can choose to duck other top fighters is the day MMA will fall off. But as long as DW and company are running the show that isn’t going to happen and that’s a really good think if you love mma.

by Raker on Aug 24, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

to be fair

Sylvia and Arlovski got paid more for losing brutally and badly than they ever would have in the UFC. Sylvia got 800k. Arlovski got 1.5mil. That’s the main reason Affliction went out of business as a promoter, but those two got more in their fights against Fedor than they would have in three fights for the UFC, Arlovski especially.

The artful muppet formerly known as KrmtDfrog.
Please read my sardonic wit and over-blown sense of self over at headkicklegend.com

by Cory Braiterman on Aug 25, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes they will.

Just a matter of time

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Aug 24, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Zoom_2_small
Ward needs to leave SM, and SM needs him to leave
Reds_small
Ray Robinson And Cassius Clay, Together For The First Time
Buchanan
David Price and Seth Mitchell: How to Properly Develop a Heavyweight
Small
Sterioids in Boxing!!
Ali-frazier_small
Aaron Pryor vs Floyd Mayweather.
017_small
Adrien Broner - Real or Imitation
Small
Press Release: Top Rank purchases WBC
Buchanan
Is Boxing Dead?
Singleton04_small
It's Not if but When, they're fires stop burning
Reds_small
A Few Ballroom Bout Results

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Managing Editor

206480_10150226708710923_747385922_9037192_4017321_n_small Scott Christ

Editors & Moderators

Aki_hair_cropped_small Brickhaus

Boxing_icon_small Matt Miller

Profile_picture_small Brent Brookhouse

Ingo_small A.F.

Contributors

Henry_leeds_small Oli Goldstein

Chris_celletti_headshot_small Chris Celletti

Duran4-470x308_small Kory Kitchen

051_small Thomas Hill