Ken Hershman Would Do Another Super Six Tournament
Speaking with Mitch Abramson at BoxingScene.com, Showtime's Ken Hershman said he'd like to do another Super Six tournament, despite the troubles that have come with the first installment, which concludes on October 29 when Andre Ward faces Carl Froch in Atlantic City.
"I would love to do it. I think it’s great for boxing. It’s fantastic for the participants. It’s great for Showtime and I’d love to keep doing it. Obviously, you want to keep them as short as possible. But with injuries and delays, it’s inevitable it’s going to stretch out longer than we would personally like but we think at the end of the day, two years is a very reasonable timeframe when you consider all of the great fights that we’ve done."
Obviously Hershman's definition of "great fight" is whatever is good for his network and not necessarily, you know, a fight remembered as great, but that's neither here nor there, really. I do agree with him that two years for a round robin + single elimination is perfectly fine, and honestly, given all the issues that have come up with injuries and fighters dropping out and replacements needing to be found, I think they did a bang-up job keeping it just under two years in length. Every time they lost a fighter, he was replaced very quickly, except Andre Dirrell, who just wasn't replaced at all. And even then, they helped put together a very good matchup between Ward (Dirrell's woulda-been opponent) and Sakio Bika outside of the tournament.
Do you want to see another Super Six? Would you prefer something like an eight-man, single elimination tournament instead?
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SUPER SIX FEATHERWEIGHTS
Gamboa, Ponce de Leon, Juanma Lopez, Mikey Garcia, Salido and Jhonny Gonzalez. That is the tournament i want to see. That or a Middle Jr tourney with (hey let me dream): Alvarez, Angulo, Wolak, Cotto, Martyrosryan and why not? Devlin Rodriguez.
Those 2 would be awesome tournaments (you can keep em in 4 fighters like the bantam one and it would still be great).
You can count out any Top Rank or Golden Boy fighters from these tournaments. But goddamn that jr middle tournament would be awesome. Not a bad fight to be made.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Aug 23, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You can count out any Top Rank or Golden Boy fighters from these tournaments.
Why isn’t it possible? They don’t want to lose total control of the promotion and for potentially multiple fights? Or is it just because they make more money doing it their way? Maybe I am answering my own question lol.
They make good money without the tournament and they don’t want to lock their fighters into five fights over two years.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Aug 23, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
“They make good money without the tournament and they don’t want to lock their fighters into five fights over two years.”
Yeah, that is why I think it will work better with Featherweights since they are pretty good but are not as popular to the casual fan like in the welterweights. They need more exposure despite being good.
The feathers lineup you proposed has Gamboa (Top Rank), Ponce de Leon (Golden Boy), Juanma (Top Rank), Garcia (Top Rank). The promoters just don’t see it as a good vehicle for their fighters. Gamboa main events on HBO, and Lopez has been a main eventer on HBO and SHO. Garcia is on his way to that status. They still make money.
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by Scott Christ on Aug 24, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
how about bryan vera?
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I’m not sure you can possibly sell him as “one of the world’s six best middleweights” or whatever.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Aug 23, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The Super Six format is not really a pure tournament- it’s more like a very abbreviated regular season followed by a post-season tournament, since not everyone makes the elimination stage and the ‘regular season’ points determine seeding.
I wonder if some kind of format like that could be used with less high-profile fighters. It makes things tougher when big money is involved with each fight, various titles are involved, they are all 12 rounds, etc. Say 8 solid pros who like to mix it up, but aren’t first tier or being protected by their promoter. Random draw for 3 fights each, 6 or 8 rounds, closer together in time, with 4 making the elimination round.
Lesser names means less interest of course, but people do tend to like tourney formats. Might work well for ShoBox and bigger fight undercards.
Showtime did a super middleweight tournament a few years back that drew minimal eyes and attention with the “lesser fighters” format, and I don’t think the juice was worth the squeeze, which might deter them from that idea.
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by Scott Christ on Aug 23, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I definitely prefer another Super Six over single elimination
I think the Super Six format gives fans times to get to know the participants better, and it also adds more interest and drama when a fighter’s back is against the wall having lost his last fight. Yes, there were a ton of incidents and issues that came up during the Super Six but just because it didn’t run perfectly doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be run again. It was still a fun format and I think the clear picture we have of the super middleweight division can be directly attributed to the tournament. As long as the participants are all top ranked fighters I’d love for another Super Six to come along again. And if they add Fight Camp 360 to it that would make it even better.
I liked it a lot and would love to see another one. I like both kinds. Room for both in the world, I think.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
I agree. Showtimes needs to keep this going. I do see the points raised by “soulrise” above. We have gotten to know these boxers better than many other fighters in other divisions. We’ve seen the whole ordeal and now we get a very good final bout. I would watch whatever, and I hope they keep doing it.
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.

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