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Frank Warren Talks PPV Boxing in the United Kingdom

Frank Warren says the only way stars can be made is through pay-per-view. (Photo by Ian Walton/Getty Images)

A couple of weeks ago, news came down that Sky Sports, the lead boxing broadcaster and lead sports network in the United Kingdom, was finished with pay-per-view boxing, offered through their Sky Box Office channel, a decision that has been debated and discussed plenty since then.

Frank Warren, who has been the biggest UK promoter for years and only recently has gotten some real competition from Eddie Hearn and Matchroom Sport, discussed the decision with Terence Dooley:

"I’ve read quotes from Sky saying that they have problems with fighters pulling out.  That happens in boxing over the years but invariably, and speaking for myself, the shows are value for money and the only way we can develop talent and big fights is with PPV.

"People might say, ‘Screw that, why should we pay money’, but the simple reason is that is how it works in television and has done in America for God knows how long.  That is how they’ve brought fighters and fights through, otherwise you reduce to a certain standard and it will be very difficult to rise above that."

Warren is right that this has been done in America for God knows how long. What Warren isn't acknowledging is that boxing has taken massive hits to its audience in America, in large part because the sport is inaccessible to the general public thanks to its status as a pay-per-view sport, or a premium channel sport. The number of major PPV events has gone down over the years, but that only happened once the audience had jumped ship. It's not about where they went -- MMA, golf, competitive cheer, doesn't matter -- it's about the fact that they left, and they did leave.

Star-divide

Again, in 2003, over seven million people watched Lennox Lewis vs Vitali Klitschko on HBO. That same year, in a far smaller fight, Manny Pacquiao (far, far before he was a marketing phenom) and Marco Antonio Barrera fought on HBO with an audience north of three million. We are now talking about an American boxing audience celebrated for reaching 1.5 million on a free preview weekend for HBO (Berto vs Ortiz).

In other words, I don't think I would advise Frank Warren or any other promoter to emulate the American model. The amount of stars being made in boxing is minuscule these recent years. Once Mike Tyson retired, after falling apart in the ring and marginalizing his audience anyway, we had Oscar de la Hoya. Then we had Floyd Mayweather Jr, and now we have Mayweather and Pacquiao.

People always say, "Well, we asked who would replace (x), and (y) came along, so (z) will, too," but I'm not sure it's that simple. It's not something you should chalk up to an inevitability, it's something you should strive to make sure happens if you're a promoter, or a network, who might as well be a promoter.

"That's how it's done" has killed the American boxing audience. There are a great number of factors, yes, but I will stand by putting the absence of boxing being presented without an investment from the viewer as the No. 1 reason that boxing has wound up the fringe sport that it is today in the United States. For too long, greedy promoters and networks kept asking for more money, more money, more money, and then often not delivering a product worth the money that had been shelled out. Gradually, surely, they went away. They didn't all drop dead, they just quit watching. It happens, and I know because it has happened.

Warren also wants to pass the blame over to David Haye's fights with Audley Harrison and Wladimir Klitschko, and kind of skirts over the issue he had with Nathan Cleverly's May debacle, and his Magnicent Seven and Gr8 Britain vs The World shows in 2010 not being what was initially advertised.

If the "only way" that a promoter can develop fighters and make stars is through pay-per-view, then that's a flaw with the promoter. The model has become as outdated as pretending it's still 1965 with promotional tactics would be. If you want evidence, look at the bottomed-out ratings of HBO over the years, which have in 2011 stabilized, but nothing more. They're not truly better. They're just not continuing to get worse. Sky Sports made a decision, and now the UK boxing promoters will have to deal with it, perhaps by actually promoting more than they're used to doing.

And this is not all meant to be some huge shot at Warren -- he very often puts on packed shows, develops young talent very well, and compared to some of his American counterparts, is an otherworldly true promoter. But wanting to stay on the American-style road is just not a good idea. Win the public with old fashioned matchmaking and fights that they can see without topping more money onto already overpriced cable and satellite bills.

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Good points in that post Scott.

If you and many others can see the signs (ppv damaging boxing) then why can’t FW. He used to be able to get big viewing audiences back in the mid-late nineties, now it just ain’t happening. Without meaning to sound arrogant, but I’m quite able to afford ppv but won’t and if people like me who love watching boxing, but are pissed off with continually having to pay extra for sub standard shows (which then start to fall apart)… then it’s only going to go down hill.

by Phill on Aug 27, 2011 8:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Rant over

I’ll put my soap box away now:)

by Phill on Aug 27, 2011 8:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I think there’s a really stupid idea that’s quite prevalent in the UK that whatever goes on in America, with regard to boxing, is right and proper. I for one picked up Ben Dirs – BBC reporter on boxing – for calling Golden Boy “the best” at matchmaking, after which he tried to dismiss me with the amazing claim that Golden Boy matched Ortiz with Maidana because HBO have always demanded good fights. Clearly he’d never heard of Freddy Hernandez. To be honest, I still think there is a market for PPV fights here, but Sky are definitely right when they say they won’t be putting any old crap on. Most of the recent Haye cards (and fights) haven’t been PPV-worthy, nor was the Khan-McCloskey card or the DeGale-Groves show. Unless we’re presented with a show like the Khan-Maidana one – where you got DeGale-Smith and the likes of Brook, Cleverly and Macklin on the undercard – Sky rightly shouldn’t be charging £15 to viewers already paying for the Sports package. As far as I’m concerned, Sky’s presentation of boxing has improved dramatically since Adam Smith took charge, and the fact we can watch the likes of Froch, Hopkins and Pacquiao for free is testament to what’s a pretty excellent service.

"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."

by Oli Goldstein on Aug 28, 2011 9:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

I agree with all of that, Oli.

by Matt Mosley on Aug 28, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s taken Sky a while to take that stance though. Adam Smith may be an over dramatic plonker, but he does appear to be passionate about getting the best entertainment to the audience. Can’t knock him for that

by Phill on Aug 28, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

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