Mayweather vs Ortiz 24/7 Recap, Episode 1: "And motherf-----, I'm not no Jr.!"
by Bad Left Hook on Aug 28, 2011 9:12 AM EDT
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Anthony Wilson recaps last night's memorable premiere episode of Mayweather vs Ortiz 24/7 on HBO.
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"What motivates me is putting the finishing touches on my legacy."
So says Floyd Mayweather Jr. at the start of HBO's "24/7: Mayweather/Ortiz," which debuted Saturday night, the latest in the premium subscription channel's four-part mini-series/hype machine for big fights. The show was Mayweather's brainchild, and in the time since its 2007 debut (in the lead-up to his Cinco de Mayo mega-fight with Oscar de la Hoya) he's further put his stamp on it, making it a personal playground for his boyish antics. This is Floyd's fifth time outing as a headliner, with the members of his inner circle having long since become familiar to the 24/7 faithful - in particular, Roger and Floyd Mayweather Sr., the fighter's uncle-trainer and father, respectively. The brothers are known for their star turns as supporting characters, joining Junior, the antagonist, in forming what is perhaps HBO's signature family outside of the ones once juggled by Tony Soprano.
In part one of the series' newest installment, things are status quo in their regard - at least until the episode's closing five minutes.
Floyd is Floyd, the head honcho, the center of it all, playful, obnoxious, and unwavering in his self-belief as he dismisses Ortiz ("Victoria Ortiz," he calls him during one bit) and shrugs off his status as the defendant in six different pending legal cases.
"F--- it," he says, reminding us of his motto. "It's gon' be what it's gon' be. If I'm innocent, leave me alone. If I'm guilty, do what you gotta do."
He has assembled the best defense team money can buy; he's paid millions of dollars in lawyer fees but seems unfazed by it.
"It comes with the territory," he explains. "People are money hungry, what else can I say?"
Roger is Roger, typically ludicrous as he rambles off something ridiculous about Ortiz being a non-entity to him.
"I wouldn't know him from another bag of white rice," he says, as only he would.
Big Floyd is Big Floyd, reminding everyone yet again of his place in the family boxing tradition.
"I'm the motivator, innovator, creator," he rhymes. "I'm the one that taught them."
It's the stuff we're used to from the outrageous trio.
But the camp is infiltrated by a couple of new members.
To be accurate, 50 Cent is only semi-new face: he and Floyd have been friends for years, and he made a memorable cameo in an episode of the series' inaugural run. Now, he seems to have become an even more routine presence in Floyd's life.
"That's my dude, ‘til the day we d-i-e," Floyd states.
The lovely Miss Jackson, on the other hand, is introduced in earnest. They met five years ago in Atlanta; today, she's Mayweather's fiancee.
As usual, Mayweather operates out of Las Vegas.
Victor Ortiz trains out of Ventura, CA. He is flanked by his trainer, Danny Garcia, and younger brother, Temo. Victor and Temo came up the hard way, abandoned by their parents as poor, young boys in their native Garden City, KS, and eventually ending up in foster care. Victor picked up boxing as a teenager, growing into his craft at a gym run by a man named Bucky Avila, who had a big impact on Ortiz's life. Ortiz gets teary-eyed as he reflects on his late mentor.
Back in Kansas, Temo is the CEO of Ortiz Trucking. Garcia also drives a truck, as a haul man working for Coca Cola. It's not strange for a trainer to have a day-job; as Carlos Acevedo once approximated, 85% of all people involved in boxing, including fighters, have outside occupations.
But it is uncommon for a man preparing a fighter to take on the sport's biggest draw and long-time pound-for-pound titan in a big event on pay-per-view (just as it was last year, when Lenny de Jesus, a locksmith by day, reared Joshua Clottey for his Dallas Stadium showdown with Manny Pacquiao).
Garcia began training Ortiz in 2007, against the wishes of his family. For a few years, Ortiz trained under the guidance of Eduardo and Robert Garcia. Eduardo, now retired, is Garcia's father; Danny, head of a stable that includes such big names as Antonio Margarito, Brandon Rios, and Nonito Donaire, is his younger brother.
When Ortiz and Robert clashed, Ortiz called on Danny, who had stepped away from the family business at the gym to focus on his job with Coca Cola. Their pairing is the basis of a rift between Danny and the rest of his family, who view Danny as a traitor.
"I love my brother," Danny explains, "but I don't know if he loves me."
Family feuding is a Mayweather trademark. The beef between the brothers and estrangement of Little Floyd from his father has been exceedingly well-documented. The dysfunction rears its head again in the opener, and in spectacular fashion - for the first time, we get to see it in action, and in all its glory.
What started off as a seemingly innocent debate between father and son over a couple of female fighters soon turns into an all-out shouting match, with Junior lobbing hurtful diatribes at Senior. Floyd denounces his father as both a former fighter and a trainer, exalting Roger at his expense and denying his father credit for the role he played in his development as a puglist (despite acknowledging it at the beginning of the show). Junior orders Senior from the gym, the two exchange expletives and even have to be separated.
At the conclusion of the verbal war, Mayweather continues to spout off in anger in the locker room, further disparaging his father, who has exited the building. As many members of his entourage look on, Floyd caps off the episode with a final heavy blow.
"And motherf-----, I'm not no Jr.!"
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ho hum?
i’ve never seen a 24/7 series all the way through. only seen parts of episodes in the past.
i watched this first episode last night before looking at this website.
i just assumed that the ending of the episode (the whole jr vs sr incident) was par for the course for the mayweathers and esp. for the mayweathers on 24/7. i imagine that exchange as a typical day at the mayweather gym.
is this not the case?
No.
You don’t humilate your father like that, not for tv ratings or money.
The guy has so many alter egos it’s scary, but the one that keeps popping up the most – this juvenile rebel one – is the most disturbing.
Their relationship is pretty strange, I mean his dad trained two different people to beat his son, at that point respect is pretty much already out of the picture.
Senior never trained anyone to fight Junior
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Aug 29, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He did sign on to train ODLH
Too high of an asking price tho.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Aug 29, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I say again:
Senior never trained anyone to fight Junior.
Senior quoted Oscar a price when Oscar was set to fight Junior. Oscar thought it was too high, and didn’t know if he could trust Senior to give his full 100% given that they’d be going up against the man’s own son. So Oscar went and got Freddy.
So, for the third and hopefully final time, Senior never trained anyone to fight Junior.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Aug 29, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
he did ACTUALLY sign to train Oscar for the aborted rematch, but, yes: Senior never trained anyone to fight Junior.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Aug 29, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah this wasn’t an act to boost ratings. There was legitimate hate coming out of pretty boy floyd
I hate the Texans
by battle axe of doom on Aug 28, 2011 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah this wasn’t an act to boost ratings. There was legitimate hate coming out of pretty boy floyd
It can’t be both?
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Aug 29, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
No. I haven’t seen all of them, but I’ve seen the last 2, and there was nothing this—extreme on them. But even if it were “ho hum” for the Mayweathers, that wouldn’t make it “ho hum” for most/a lot of the public. I wonder what the general response will be. Families do fight viciously on occasion, things get laid on the line, things get said—I’ve been in a few corkers myself. But not in public. Very few people are comfortable laying that kind of linen out in public.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
i didn’t mean ho hum as in isn’t this the way most people act.
and i agree that it doesn’t look like it was an act. these were genuine feelings on display.
but in this age of over-sharing, for many, proudly parading your skeletons in the closet out in public is not too steep a price to pay for fame or notoriety.
in this ‘reality’ age, apparently there is no topic too private or taboo to share with the world. floyd knew the cameras were rolling. i just thought this was common floyd on camera behavior.
re “common on camera Floyd behavior” no, on reflection, it’s not—the others I’ve seen were outrageous for outrageousness’s sake, or else fun—dance-offs, kids, dogs, lots of flashy training and street/gym language, like that, or only fleetingly callous, not vicious, and there was a sense of it all being an act. This wasn’t an act. Seemed to just run away with itself, the whole thing. It seemed to me—haven’t seen a replay, can’t be certain—but I was wondering at the time was this staged, and so I watched the retainers and flunkies. They were real uncomfortable with it, seemed to me. They thought it was real, it was tense for them, they wanted to be somewhere else. They’d know.
But you’re right, I don’t watch much tv, no reality shows (used to watch Springer once in a while, clearly staged I thought), so maybe it seems normal to people to see that kind of intrafamily viciousness, just reality tv.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
I think many people that were there thought, at first, that it was all an act. Maybe they’ve gotten used to a certain viciousness between them and they thought it was just part of their “roles”…but you could tell that as this thing escalated many people there started becoming uncomfortable, including Roger. He was almost completely silent until the very end when he, basically, said “that’s enough, let’s move on”. I think it turned ugly and real and people couldn’t, at first, tell the difference, they didn’t notice the blurring.
Bob Arum would promote Lucifer himself if he could put asses in the seats.
he doesn't need to lose to be punished
Personal life aside, the guy’s a ring genius, and if he loses, he should lose because he was legitimately beat, not because his personal life is a mess and he’s an asshole. Hell, lots of greats did bad things; Michael Jordan cheated countless times, cause he’s MJ, but that doesn’t take away from his greatness, and we shouldn’t downplay his status as arguable GOAT for that reason.
Floyd’s punishment will come after he’s retired. Maybe he’ll get beat by Pac, it don’t matter. What matters is that he’s gonna retire, continue in his way, and alienate everyone around him, and he might die broke, alone, and penniless, like Sugar Ray Robinson. Though if he had half a brain, he’d treat his fiancee right, lucky SOB lol.
His comeuppance will come later.
You cannot walk if you fear to crush the ant in your wake.
It does confirm one thing
Floyd Senior has alienated many if not most potential boxers as candidates for his training.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
As good as he is, it is notable that he doesn’t get more work with upper echelon fighters. De la Hoya loved the guy.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Aug 29, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s known to be very hard to work with, but he also got great results from a lot of fighters, so it kind of is what it is. I think at his best he was a terrific trainer, but his personality obviously rubbed a lot of his fighters the wrong way.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Aug 29, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
<It was some old wounds that resurfaced
I think Floyd never forgave his father completely, and when you see how Sr acts I can understand that you can get tired of him. Sr always talk bad about his brother as a trainer and tries to boss Floyd around all the time. He pushes Jr’s buttons 24/7(lol). If you see many other 24/7’s when ever SR is in his camp he always talk shit about Roger and, believe it or not , Floyd jr feels loyalty towards his uncle due to him being there for him when his father was gone. so basically Floyd is human and is just a limit for what you can accept from a father.
by Mohammedini Hussein on Aug 28, 2011 5:44 PM EDT reply actions
Some parents can never just stay in the background
You can talk about respecting your father all you want, but at the end of the day his sons the star not him. He needs to stay in the background, shut his mouth and stop trying to compete with his younger brother. The old man needs to act his age not his shoe size.
You're a strange man...
I’ve never heard someone have so much personal enmity for someone they will never meet. A lot of Floyd’s on screen persona is obviously constructed/fabricated so people like you invest in him on a personal level (albeit in a negative manner) and purchase those Pay-per-views. He is the classic heel as seen in Wrestling. That you can’t see this is disturbing.
I sincerely hope you’re just trolling…
Either way you’ve got to respect the man’s skills. He’s a boxing Master who has never lost and never tasted the canvas.
by Mr. Braun on Aug 28, 2011 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
True.. (your last paragraph),
imagine how good he’d be with a loving, supporting and caring family behind him.
I always enjoy the 24/7 series
and this one was no different, but there is no denying that the final minutes was one of the darker things I’ve seen on television.
Fat Daddy Doobs took the seed of a sentiment many people share too far
Mayweather’s insistence on being recognized as the best in the world and the best of all time, has a lot of people of all races, socio-economic groups, and creeds wishing he would be humbled in the ring, outright demonstrating that he is no Sugar Ray Leonard let alone Sugar Ray Robinson.
That being said, his persona is a huge target on his back and if (god forbid) Mayweather loses to Ortiz before fighting Pacquiao a lot of people will say he was exposed after this cherry picking. It won’t be true, you can’t expose a legitimate champion, only reveal a chink in his legacy, but if he loses a lot of people will consider it a free for all on his reputation because of his attitude.
Pure unadulterated frustration
I really think FMJ has gotten sick of Sr trying to take credit for all of his victories. It is true that Sr originally taught FMJ the sweet science but honestly this point is trivial. No one gives a shit about who taught Pacquiao the sweet science because its obvious how much influence a trainer can have in molding a fighter. Now its true that it isn’t obvious that Roger has had a great deal of influence, but he definitely has a great rapport with FMJ in the ring during a fight. FMJ just got frustrated with all the credit that Sr was taking and needed to remind him in no uncertain terms exactly what he has done for Jr’s career and how Sr’s career is viewed. Harsh to say the least but this is the kind of relationship you are going to get between two egomaniacs. And its obvious that this isn’t out of the ordinary. Just look at how calm Roger is during the whole ordeal, with his ‘Oh God not this shit again’ look on his face.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Aug 29, 2011 4:56 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I keep wondering what guys like George Chuvalo and Joe Frazier are thinking, if they watched it. I’ve got an idea they aren’t too sold on LilFloyd right this minute. Just a guess.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
lol as if they never had heated arguments in there lives XD
plus many people don’t know the whole story. It is so naive to think that this is something that happened out of thin air. That was years of pent up anger towards his father. You could see in Floyds eyes that he cried after there fight.
by Mohammedini Hussein on Aug 29, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course they had heated arguments in their lives, everybody does, I have, but not on national tv in a way that permanently humiliates anyoneon film for the ages, never mind it’s his father—it’s on HBO, it’s never going away. And yes, Sr. was being a pain in the ass as usual and should probably shut up, but that’s all there was to it—it wasn’t worth televised emotional patricide. It will be a defining moment forevermore, and seemed to me more than anything evidence of the worst impulse control I’ve ever seen in anyone over 30. Like, scary not normal, and prone to meanness. Just, OTT.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Of course they had heated arguments in their lives, everybody does, I have—but not on national TV in a way that humiliates anyone, never mind it’s his father, for the ages. Obviously they’ve got and have always had deep, serious issues, but that’s the worst solution I ever saw actually happening. Those issues aren’t for TV, if you’re really trying to solve/work on them. If you’re just making a dollar, well, what’s a dollar worth to you? Your Dad? And, yes, Sr. was being a pain in the ass as usual, and should probably shut up, but in the moment that’s all there was to it—nothing worthy of publically executed emotional patricide. It’s on HBO, it’s never going away, it will be defining moment forevermore. Above all it strikes me as evidence of the worst impulse control I’ve ever seen in anyone over 30, and reveals a propensity to real meanness of spirit.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Meant for Mohammedini Hussein above
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
The fight was highly edited
Sr did things to egg Floyd on. They started fighting over who was the responsible for Floyds success as a pro. Sr then say Roger didn’t do shit and he made Floyd the boxer he is. Floyd out of loyalty towards Roger defended him. Also by Sr saying that, it would automatically bring up the prison sentence/abandonment in Floyds mind, cuz Roger was the guy there for him while Dad was gone. So for sr to take all the credit, he spits on Roger which Floyd seems to see as more of a father figure then his own dad. Also you don’t know what you would do in that situation.
by Mohammedini Hussein on Aug 31, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
The worse thing about this
is that it was televised. I’m pretty sure this happens in more boxing camps than we know of. Don’t forget how Cotto and his uncle Evangelista came to blows.
I loved when Sr told him to come get 41 and 1!! That was priceless.
It is a sad situation all around. Sure, families argue and I remember getting into an argument where my father punched me. We wrestled around for a minute but never in my mind did it enter my head to put hands on my father (i.e. hit him). It’s just something you don’t do. Afterward we both knew we were wrong.
I also blame the idiots in Floyd’s entourage; instead of standing around smirking and laughing they should have gotten Floyd and/or his father out of there before it reached a head. Unfortunately, the security members were too worried about losing a paycheck or job (or probably injecting some steroid or PED in each others a***s).
Everyone wants ratings but it saddened me a bit to see them garnered in that manner.
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Aug 29, 2011 4:38 PM EDT reply actions
I also blame the idiots in Floyd’s entourage; instead of standing around smirking and laughing they should have gotten Floyd and/or his father out of there before it reached a head.
I think it was a situation where a lot of the people around didn’t realize how badly it was escalating, honestly. It went from 0 to 120 really, really fast, and over some nonsense.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Aug 29, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
First post
Well I’ve been lurking on this site for the better part of a couple years or so…finally signed up just to post regarding this.
I understand people feel as though it’s patricide and he humiliated his pops…and while that’s partially true—it’s also part pain and hurt that hasn’t been dealt with.
While it’s easy for people to judge — you have to consider that regardless of income, seeking professional help to deal with the wounds that a young man can have when he’s abandoned by his parent(s) isn’t easy to do, and frankly in the black community therapists/counseling etc is frowned upon moreso than in the general populace.
I am in a situation very similar to Floyd’s with a parent who was on drugs all of my youth but now is always there to give herself props for my success (now I’m nowhere near as monetarily successful as FM lol!) In FM’s situation, his pops always tries to take credit for his success either in covert or overt ways. This is maddening especially when Floyd likely feels that he left him at a critical time in his life. This isn’t something your entourage can step in on—this is HISTORY and family pain. Honestly entourages should’ve stayed out of it—and frankly that’s how you end up getting the verbal brunt as well—butting your nose in personal situations.
I’m not saying this to excuse Floyd’s behavior, but to help people understand the mechanics of it all…so you shouldn’t really hope for his demise (Doobs really disturbed me), you should hope for him to truly TALK about the issue with someone and resolve it. And you can tell—the ego on his dad makes it VERY difficult to talk to him and his self glorification and whatnot doesn’t help. Whenever he forgives his dad (and his dad truly shows he wants to be forgiven for stepping out of his life) — they’ll be able to fix it.
by rooch on Aug 29, 2011 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Whatever little Floyd had outside the ring, he has now lost.
Whether you are black or white, a fan or not, you cannot look at what transpired openly and willingly (that’s right, a media junkie like Floyd knew exactly what was happening and he could have absolutely stopped it and/or told HBO it was ‘off the record’) and have respect for a man who disses and elder in that fashion.
Not in my neighborhood, not in anyone’s. Ignore an elder for whom you have disdain or hatred…but do not disrespect him like that. And certainly not in public.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Rooting for the Underdog!
I completely agree with you, Pakinpower, I was shocked by that final scene but then again Floyd seems to like the showbiz media. It was also very surprising how different these guys are because Ortiz seems to come from such a humbled background and I find myself wanting him to knock Mayweather down a few pegs. In any case I’m looking forward to a great fight since I ordered it through my job at DISH Network in HD. This is a fight worth seeing!
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