Floyd Mayweather Jr and Floyd Mayweather Sr Go At It On 24/7 (Video)
by Scott Christ on Aug 30, 2011 10:16 PM EDT
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PrintGod knows how long this will actually stay up on YouTube, but if you still haven't seen the wild ending to last week's debut episode of "Mayweather vs Ortiz 24/7," here's the argument that spiraled far out of control:
I think many of our readers have it right, from the thread that accompanied Anthony Wilson's recap of the first episode: These are old wounds bubbling back to the surface. It's far from anything new, and worse fights have probably happened over the years when cameras weren't rolling. Floyd Jr and Floyd Sr were estranged and not on speaking terms for many years, and there seems to be a legitimate jealousy that Sr has toward his brother, Roger, as far as Jr claiming that Roger made him the fighter he is today. Whether or not Floyd Sr or Roger is more responsible for how great a fighter "Lil Floyd" has become is very debatable, and you could have a strong conversation about it, I think. Sr molded Jr, but Roger has obviously been there for his pro career and his rise to superstardom.
Hell, let's poll it out: Who deserves more credit for Floyd Jr's success, Floyd Sr or Roger? I think most of us can agree that Jr himself is the one deserving of most of the credit, since you can't train someone who isn't willing to work hard, but just between Sr and Roger, who gets the most credit from you?
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I guess it depends on which aspect of Floyd Jr’s success you want to focus on. I feel like Floyd Sr has had a greater overall impact on Jr.‘s development and his technique and style simply because he was the doing the bulk of the work during Lil Floyd’s formative years. I also have little doubt that he is (or at least was) a better overall trainer than Roger.
At the same time though, one may still be inclined to give Roger more credit simply for being a comparatively stable source of support in Floyd’s life in a way that his father has not necessarily been. Additionally, even if Roger serves more as a motivator than a strategist or teacher, that might be exactly what Floyd has needed for many of his bigger fights.
What a sad scene.
Can you imagine anything like this happening between Manny and Freddy Roach.
by Phill on Aug 31, 2011 12:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No but Freddie isn’t Manny’s dad with untold past personal issues.
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Aug 31, 2011 1:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Of course, that's obvious.. but,
How many people would behave that way with their trainer? The fact it’s his dad just makes it worse IMO.
by Phill on Aug 31, 2011 8:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well Miguel Cotto and his uncle went at it pretty good a number of times. I think the family tie plays in big. As strong as you can love family, if you dislike them…
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Aug 31, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I get the impression that despite issues, Manny doesn’t behave that way with his Dad, either.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Yes.. exactly.
it’s down to respect, in my book. Plus, as much as you can have a ‘ding dong’ with your family, then kiss and make up, you still know what’s right from wrong.
I don’t know that Floyd Jr has any respect for his father, and all things considered, I’m not sure any has been earned in his opinion, and given what we do know, I think Jr has a case. But it was tough to watch either way — in part because I found it so nice last year when Floyd fought Mosley to see him and his dad getting on so well on 24/7.
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by Scott Christ on Aug 31, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want to vote.
I didn’t see the full episode but I can tell you that I don’t want to watch that again.
As someone who has had moderate problems with family, scenes like that rip me apart. If you don’t know what it means to feel hatred towards family, consider yourself lucky. That was just sad and very hard to watch.
Read Floyd Senior's interview on Fighthype
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I say Floyd Sr.
He built the foundation. Roger just took over and kept it going. I would say very few athletes in general make any real changes once their base habits are established.
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