Bob Arum Furious Over December 3 Scheduling Conflict
With the Joseph Agbeko vs Abner Mares fight on Showtime going up against HBO pay-per-view's Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito rematch, it looks already as if the current truce between Top Rank and Golden Boy could be short-lived.
Some of Top Rank promoter Bob Arum's vitriol was directed at Showtime:
"We will retaliate, and when we retaliate it will be tenfold. There will be major retaliation. ... We accommodated them and HBO accommodated them. Now, if Showtime does pay-per-view again, they will get it between the eyes. They will get the shit kicked out of them. You don't do that. Go back in history. When was the last Showtime or HBO put a fight on against the other's pay-per-view? I can't remember one. You just don't do that. ... It's because [Showtime] are pissed at us because they didn't get the Pacquiao fight or the Cotto fight. That's how small-minded they are. But revenge will be sweet. It will be on both of them, Golden Boy and Showtime."
As Dan Rafael notes in the original article, it's easy to remember one: March 12 of this year, when HBO countered a Miguel Cotto vs Ricardo Mayorga fight on Showtime pay-per-view with the fight between Sergio Martinez and Sergiy Dzinziruk.
Arum mentions that he moved Nonito Donaire from a November 5 date on HBO so as to not go against a Lucian Bute vs Glen Johnson fight on Showtime. Arum and Bute's promoters Interbox have a good working relationship, and it was nice of him to do that, admittedly.
But what may be steaming him here is something he doesn't mention, which is the fact that Golden Boy complained to Top Rank about the Donaire vs Omar Narvaez fight being booked for the Home Depot Center in Carson, Calif., because they thought it might interfere with ticket sales for their Bernard Hopkins vs Chad Dawson fight on October 15 at the Staples Center in Los Angeles.
Now, the idea that Donaire vs Narvaez had to move to New York to accommodate Hopkins vs Dawson was a cute one. Hopkins vs Dawson only wound up in Los Angeles because they were kicked out of Newark, as Main Events has an agreement with the Prudential Center and basically wouldn't allow the card without a fight on the show, which Golden Boy and Gary Shaw wouldn't go for.
So you've got all this ridiculous sniping back-and-forth between promoters, all chasing every last nickel, which of course is their job. And given that Top Rank and Golden Boy are by far the two biggest promoters in the United States, they're doing most of the high-level fighting, even when they're on friendly terms.
Which is why, of course, they won't be on friendly terms for very long. It's already cracking, on both sides.
Schaefer says he "doesn't understand" where this is coming from, but he has to remember they already sort of poked the bear by having him move the Donaire fight to a location on the east coast:
"I don't understand where this is all coming from. He knows darn well I had no other choice with the date. I am not looking at picking any fights -- just the ones with our fighters, and that's it."
Everyone's a good guy all the time. That's the moral of the story if you listen to boxing promoters. They all do what's right and the other bastards are always trying to screw them over. Arum's retaliation talk is borderline comical, but Schaefer understands more than he lets on, too. They complained about a Top Rank card in the same general area that came a week after their card. He can't be surprised that Arum is unhappy about them promoting the same night on Showtime against his pay-per-view, even if Schaefer is right that Arum also understands that dates are limited, particularly for the rest of 2011.
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Cold War III?
Manning out for season + Texans "improved" defense = Texans AFC South Division CHAMPS
by battle axe of doom on Sep 23, 2011 5:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
What a baby!
There is no rational way to respond to an outburst like that and this is why boxing has issues. Instead of trying to deal with the situation and asking showtime to move up the broadcast or trying to bundle the two shows, he goes all 13-year-old with a temper tantrum. Thanks for demonstrating what is currently wrong with boxing Bob!
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
I want to be a boxing fan
And I’m trying real hard.
But then I read articles like this and it just turns me off the sport so much because there’s so much bullshit that happens outside of the ring.
"My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world."
- Jack Layton
I would be interested in an explanation as to why Friday nights can’t be used by either Showtime or HBO to avoid conflicts. Surely, it would be better for ratings to not go up against a competing boxing broadcast? I don’t get it.
TheBoxingBulletin.com
Yeah, well, you and me both. Thursday nights. Wednesday nights. What law came into play that high-level boxing can only be on goddamn Saturday night? Do they think Mares vs Agbeko is going to sell less tickets on a Thursday or be watched by fewer TV viewers?
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Sep 23, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to take a wild stab at an answer, and say that it may have something to do with the fact that part of the attraction for lots of people is that the next day is Saturday, and they can stay up late and have a bit of a party without worrying about next-day consequences.
Thursday or Wednesday night fights would appeal to the hard-core few, but imagine the PPV numbers if they were the only audience? That sure wouldn’t make boxing more broadly appealing than it is now, and it would not be much incentive to the business side of things. Earlier fights (and a lot less drinking) on nights when everyone has to get our of bed the next morning.
I’m certain you are correct in your reasoning and agree with it, but to play devil’s advocate. Football’s markee games of each week are on monday nights and they have added a ton more of thursday night games as well. So I’d argue that if you put on a good show people will watch regardless of the day.
All this bitching
The british scene has been thriving the last couple of years and part of this is because you have Warren, Maloney, the Hearn’s and Hatton, all putting on good fights together. If America could do this, the sport can move forward and build on this

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