Oscar De La Hoya: "Ortiz Wanted to Make it a Street Fight, Not an Unfair Fight"
by Scott Christ on Sep 25, 2011 4:56 AM EDT
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In what may be the worst defense of Victor Ortiz's flagrant, dangerous headbutt to date, promoter Oscar De La Hoya went on Twitter last night, apparently watching the HBO replay of the Mayweather vs Ortiz fight, and unleashed this series of tweets:
(1) Watched the Ortiz fight again and I have to say Ortiz was coming on. it was only the 4th round and Ortiz was letting his hands go. (2) He was just warming up putting may weather on the ropes. then the cheap shot came along and the ref was lost looking at someone ringside. (3) Ortiz wanted to make it a street fight not an unfair fight. (4) I'm not trying to sell I'm just saying that at 24 years young victor was going to come on strong. 4 rounds u are just warming up. (5) The head butt was penalized. wasn't it? (6) You cannot tell who's going to win just by seeing 4 rounds especially when u have a young strong puncher like victor in front of you. (7) I'm just still fired up because of victor being young and strong and was in amazing shape and was hungry to win.
I will respond, just for kicks, with my own thoughts:
(1) Ortiz was letting his hands go, and landing next to nothing.
(2) He was putting Floyd on the ropes, but this is skipping over a little something here: It's the headbutt. The flagrant, absurd, headbutt. It wasn't "Mayweather's on the ropes and then the cheap shot." And Joe Cortez could have been staring right at them and what was he going to do? Erroneously jump in and stop the punches?
(3) This is the worst excuse I've ever heard. "He just wanted it to be a street fight, not an unfair fight!" OK, well, then what's the problem? He wanted a street fight. He got flattened for it. Legally. Also if he wanted a street fight so badly, why did he keep hugging him, apologizing to him, and kissing him? Why not shrug it off and say, "Yeah, that's how it is"?
(4) Yes, you are trying to sell.
(5) Yes, the headbutt was penalized. That's nice. But so what? It should have been. What is with this idea that penalizing the headbutt made it OK? For another thing, for a guy who quotes the rulebook so much, Joe Cortez missed this part from the Association of Boxing Commissions regulatory guidelines:
If an intentional foul causes an injury and the bout is allowed to continue, the referee will notify the authorities and deduct (2) points from the boxer who caused the foul. Point deductions for intentional fouls will be mandatory.
If that wasn't an intentional foul, what was? And it caused an injury. Nothing significant, but an injury. But yes, the headbutt was penalized, half as much as it was supposed to be, and then what happened in "return," the "cheap shot," was completely legal. So everything was kosher, yes?
(6) It's kind of easy to tell who's going to win by the fourth round when the fight ends in a knockout in four rounds.
(7) That's great that he was "hungry" and "strong" and "young," but he also was naive, foolish, breaking the rules, and he got, quite frankly, punked out for it all.
The more times I review the fight, personally, the less I feel anything for Victor Ortiz, and the less I have any interest in seeing a rematch where Floyd toys with a mentally fragile fighter for a second time. What would be the upside? Finding out if Victor tries to kick him?
I can understand Oscar's frustration, actually. As a promoter here, maybe he feels let down by Ortiz, the supposed heir to the Golden Throne. Deep down, Oscar has to know what he has on his hands in Victor Ortiz: A good, exciting fighter who just may not have the wiring to be a consistent top-level fighter. Comparisons have been made to Zab Judah this week, and I think the shoe fits. With Golden Boy needing a breakout top star, Ortiz appeared to be one of the stronger bets on their roster. If he'd even just plugged away and lost an admirable decision, that could have helped.
But he didn't, or couldn't, do it. He broke down and went into another zip code. It wasn't the first time, and likely won't be the last. Victor Ortiz has himself to blame again, even though he'll try to shift that to anyone else -- the media, the fans, the critics, the haters, Floyd, Mr. Destiny, whatever.
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Totally agree with your assessment of this.
Even considering that Oscar is the promoter he seems to come across as a bit of a low intelligence idiot at times, especially on Twitter.
When hearing him speak and especially in a documentary i saw of him, i don’t think he is a low intelligence idiot, but he often plays the part of one quite well.
Saying that
it is pretty hard to make a strong case for Ortiz in this fight without sounding like a biased, delusional moron.
Perfect Writeup
Believe, anybody with a brain knows that if this was anyone that responded the way Floyd did with a 1—2 KO after being headbutted REPEATEDLY throughout the fight they would be cheered and admired for what they did. But he wont get a fair shake because the cockyness, arrogance, bragging, and etc. But what really bothers me is that it is people who call themselves “Professionals” who are actually saying Ortiz was somewhat wrong for the headbutt, but he was penalized for it, and that Mayweather should’ve just gotten over it and fought him “fairly” after that.
Well Mayweather did fight him “fairly”
Another thing, did anyone hear “The Classy” Freddie Roach interview? Well, this is what he said: Ortiz should’ve headbutted him again after that. Thats the way to beat Mayweather. Make it a ugly street fight. He doesn’t like that. Ortiz should’nt have been trying to touch gloves, he should’ve thrown another headbutt."
Now I wonder if Freddie is gonna get a pass on this or if people in boxing are gonna even bring it up. My guess is no. :Freddies a good guy. Mayweather, well who cares. Hes too cocky.
"Winning is Everything"
Failure is not an Option
If you're not first, you're last
Roach coached Oscar to the closest fight with Floyd since his first fight with Castillo
He knows his business.
Floyd got penalized for using his elbows in the Castillo fight and Castillo got penalized for a headbutts. Those were deductions and nothing more. The fight continued but it was rougher than Mayweather liked.
The best trainers are going to make an issue in advance of and during the fight about Floyds elbows. They will also tell their fighters to jab. They may even say to make it rough. No one is going to say to headbutt intentionally.
I said two days before this fight that Ortiz is weak-minded. He was enjoying himself before the fight at the weigh-in, hi-giving Floyds posse for Christsakes. He was smiling after the KO . The kids is a nutter. A nice kid but a head case.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
They may even say to make it rough. No one is going to say to headbutt intentionally
This is Freddie Roach talking about the fight
‘I think Victor had the right idea – to rough him up. I think he should have got on with the fight and maybe headbutted him again’.
"Winning is Everything"
Failure is not an Option
If you're not first, you're last
Thx foir pointing it our, Z
Freddie is a tougher SOB than I thought.
Do you have that link. I’d like to read the whole thing.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I just read that today in Roach’s column in UK magazine Boxing News.
I was surprised to read him saying “Ortiz should have butted him again”. I stopped reading the article after a while because Roach just sounded like a biased idiot, to be honest, and i like Freddie.
He got it wrong on this one though, imo.
by Matt Mosley on Sep 26, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Oscar needs a proofwriter…just someone, anyone, who will read his tweets before he tweets them-he has to write them up in a word processor or an email or whatever-and tell him that what he’s about to broadcast to the entire freakin’ world is incredibly stupid and needs to be deleted and forgotten about.
I mean…seriously, what the hell is a street fight if not an unfair fight? Just stop talking for a while, Oscar.
Promoters, man.
Oscar is not the brightest bulb
Bot overall, he’s pretty damn good at what he does.
He does say the dumbest things however. As for tweets, he’s not the only one who should stay away.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Golden Boy is one of the big promotions for a reason. No excuses for his tweets, there are a lot of dumb celebs who can’t keep it together on twitter, but sometimes his tweets take it to the upper echelons of stupidity.
by The Twillness on Sep 25, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't need a proof reader
He needs to delete his twitter account. Seriosuly. Tool
by Sweet science on Sep 25, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
And why is he spelling Mayweather, may weather? I know its just tweets, but damn.
"Winning is Everything"
Failure is not an Option
If you're not first, you're last
Probably makes it easier from his phone.
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by Scott Christ on Sep 25, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Look any guy who wears fishnets, I'm not too keen on.
"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry
Sounds like DLH needs to TAKE THE TEST.
Clearly on psychadelic drugs.
by Shitali Klitschko on Sep 25, 2011 3:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
This sucks
I was a fan of Oscar all through his career, Im 24, and have been watching him since 1996. I loved Oscar the fighter, but Oscar the promoter is a joke.
Ya Oscar we get it, you picked Hatton, Marquez, Mosley and Ortiz to beat Floyd, none came close and you have excuses for all of them.
Ortiz was getting his ass kicked and yes Oscar you can tell who is going to win a fight after 4 rounds when 1 fighter isnt even in the same stratosphere as the other.
Pat yourself on the back Im sure you made a good bundle on this mismatch but trying to tell us Ortiz was going to win and the headbutt wasnt dirty is just a joke.
I guess we got a good honest Oscar for about a week and that was just to much for him to handle.
De La Hoya needs to stop putting pressure on Mexican and Mexican American fighters in their stable to be the next “Superstar”, it’s kind of American Idol like. Promote them, put them in good fights, let the fans choose and THEN put on the hype train, but hey, that’s just me!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
How many “Next Michael Jordans” have we seen in the last 15 years? What about that “Harold Miner” guy… put pressure on someone to be the next anybody… Bruce Lee, Michael Jordan, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao (how many Filipinos failed trying to be that? Donaire made it b/c he was his own person. Concepcion vs. Juanma, Boom Boom Bautista… wannabe’s and hype trains never make it…) or the next Oscar De La Hoya (Canelo? Ortiz? Juan Diaz for a while? Angulo?). Just stop it!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I differ with the opinion of most here.
I thought at the least Ortiz was making Floyd fight, things weren’t as comfortable for Floyd as he might have liked. Was Floyd winning? Yes but it was not a route.
What I don’t understand is why Victor used the headbutt when he did. He had Floyd on the ropes and had unleashed a combination, of which some landed. I’d have liked to see this fight finished on its own accord without the garbage.
With that being said, this fight stinks to me. Fishy, but I can’t put my finger on it. Why the timing of the headbutt, why the over the top apologies, why the happy go lucky high fiving of Floyd’s camp by Victor, why the ‘oh well- aw-shucks’ attitude after the fight by Victor? A fighter is supposed to be upset after a fight…either at himself or at Floyd.
Something is fishy, or maybe Victor really is a nut-job.
"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer
by SmittytheCutman on Sep 25, 2011 8:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agree with you and DPlainview as well
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
i dont know if it has be addressed but
what is everybody’s deal with “what the hell was cortez looking at”
during the live feed it was obvious he was asking how much time was left… and even more apparent in replays. he asked how much time was left, then if the clock was restarted.
and as scott keeps saying who cares where the hell he was looking, he cant put victor’s hands up for him. victor was hugging mayweather for the what, 5th time? if you watch it, as soon as vic gets close mayweather puts his hands up. ortiz should have followed suit
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
Malarkey...
He fought the same fight as Oscar but he wilted a little sooner. After I watched the replay…there were 5 apologies and a passionate kiss given by Ortiz on Mayweather’s cheek…not just the illegal headbutt….he deserved a sucker punch for that.
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