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Mayweather vs Ortiz 24/7 Recap, Episode 2: "My daddy’s always been jealous because he wasn’t s--- as a fighter."

The verbal assault by Floyd Mayweather, Jr. continues on his father in episode 2 of 24/7.  (Photo by Ethan Miller/Getty Images)

Anthony Wilson recaps the second episode of Mayweather vs. Ortiz 24/7 on HBO.

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Last week's "24/7" ended with an infamous showdown between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and his father; this week's began by further reminding - or providing final proof, depending on your perspective - that Mayweather Jr. really is a lost man.

In a hotel room at the Hard Rock in Las Vegas, where Mayweather's best friend, 50 Cent, is shooting a video for charity, the two collaborate on a gag in which they pretend to have a telephone conversation using stacks of money Mayweather won on an NFL preseason wager.

Mayweather "clicks over"; it's his mother (wink).

"Yeah, I seen my daddy on ‘24/7,'" Mayweather says, mocking the situation. "He was hating."

The two have not spoken since their huge dust-up, and as far as Junior is concerned it can stay that way.

"I don't never got to speak to him again in life, I don't care," Mayweather declares. "I'm fine. With or without him in my life, I'm fine."

Mayweather resolves that their latest fall-out will only make him train harder for his Sept. 17 return to the ring.

Star-divide

Meanwhile, chronic diabetes has caused Uncle Roger's health and eyesight to deteriorate to the point that he needs former featherweight titlist Cornelius Edwards, who now trains fighters and carries out tasks at the Mayweather gym, to chauffeur him to and from anger management classes. In 2009, of course, Roger had an altercation with a female boxing pupil; the incident resulted in battery charges, which were eventually dropped, but only after Roger agreed to 24 hours of the therapy. The absurd trainer downplays the significance of the training.

"Same ol' s---," he says at its conclusion.

Back in Ventura, CA,Victor Ortiz is dismissive of his opponent's verbal pot-shots.

"There's nothing that this man can say to me, or even try to say to me, that hasn't been said to me," he assures.

He appears with mentor and promoter Oscar De La Hoya on the Piers Morgan Show on CNN. In the dressing room, he calmly offers a simple philophosy regarding the fight.

"He's been a decent champion for a while, he's had his run," Ortiz concedes. "Congratulations. Now, it's my time."

Later, the Golden Boy, who's been in the news recently following admissions of drug and alcohol abuse, tells his pupil that he's the most dangerous opponent Mayweather has faced in years. Not a smaller man like Ricky Hatton or Juan Manuel, or a faded star like himself

or Shane Mosley; but rather, a strong, fast, hungry 24-year-old, with Mayweather's age and inactivity also being a big part of the equation. I don't know if De La Hoya can ever help but be at least a little disingenuous when the cameras are watching, but he may have a point.

The personality contrasts are as dramatic in this "24/7" installment as any other Mayweather has been involved in. Ortiz, of course, is the good guy. His occasional attempts at bravado come off only as awkward, forced, and transparent. His true nature, that of a nice, humble, likable kid who's a bit in over his head, easily wins out. He came up the hard way, as did Mayweather, but they couldn't be more different. Ortiz is astonished by Mayweather's public displays of monetary recklessness.

"Burning $100 bills, that's a slap in the face to anyone," Ortiz says.

Mayweather's public persona is based on a lot of calculated showmanship, no doubt, but it still feels safe to argue that, despite being a full ten years younger, Ortiz is the more mature adult.

Floyd's black hat has become more darker than ever - with dark really being the optimal word. Whereas his antics could once be taken as pure entertainment, his numerous legal situations and recent behavior towards his father have served to give the Mayweather Experience a different tenor. It's like he's finally spiraling out of control.

He ends the episode as he began it: on a late-night jog, he starts off a nasty rant by once again disrespecting his father.

"Sh-is f----- up in the boxing world," he begins. "My daddy jealous of me and Roger's relationship. My daddy's always been jealous because he wasn't s--- as a fighter. De La Hoya wearing drag, doing coke. Motherf----- Ortiz looking like a Victoria Secret model. What the f--- is going on?"

Yes, Mayweather is now grouping his father with the rivals/fighters he assaults with his verbal low blows. Needless to say, that's terrible.

But earlier we see Mayweather summon his crew at midnight for one of his trademark after-hour workouts. It's his third workout of the day; Mayweather calls them "three-a-days." The session begins at 1 a.m. and ends an hour-and-a-half later.

One considers these two scenes and ponders to himself, "Doesn't this all just encapsulate who Floyd Mayweather Jr. is?" A God-made fighter with maniacal training habits and a screwed-up psyche?

On September 17th, chances are that Floyd Mayweather will give yet another masterful performance, augmented by a startling level of commitment. In the aftermath, the story will be how he's a brilliant fighter and a wayward human being.

As it always is.

Shout out to this Fight Hype post for providing verbatim quotes, which helped me in a couple instances.

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I think that sums it up really well, Scott. The Mayweathers are a bizarre bunch and I can’t quite settle on being sympathetic toward them or detesting them.

Oh well, the show must go on.

by lightmartyr on Sep 4, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

What? Someone deleted my drink 24/7 live thread? But it was so elegant! So intelligent! (Actually, I’m glad it’s gone—now I just wish my hangover was.)

Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Sep 4, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

A half hour a week for four weeks every year and a half is about all the Floyd I can take.

Feel like more than that would be overkill.

When they do shit like talking into blocks of money as if they were phones I’m just embarrassed for them. These are grown men in their 30s with children of their own. Like Victor said, dude is definitely going broke after his career is over.

Interesting insight on Ortiz’s tattoo and the Garcia brothers’ relationship. Does anybody know if Danny still talks to Mikey, or is that relationship as strained as him and Robert?

Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather

by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 4, 2011 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

When they do shit like talking into blocks of money as if they were phones I’m just embarrassed for them.

I don’t know why HBO let that ride for so long. It wasn’t funny or entertaining. It was just dumb. Most of the shit Floyd does or says is not entertaining or funny, though, so I guess they gotta roll with something.

I wish 24/7 showed more boxing training/sparring, and less bullshit. I don’t need to see Victor’s brother riding his bike or skateboarding anymore.

"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.

by lcollins1 on Sep 4, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Floyd’s whole persona was telegraphed if not creeated by this format so I also am assuming that HBO is just dancinging with the girl that they brought to the dance. It’s not as if Floyd has so much to really say. It’s more like the platform exists so he is just filling it up with as much of his BS as they allow him space.

When the cameras are no longer in his face he will probably just launch more inane tweets and upload more idiotic videos. Or box. Probably the former.

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Sep 4, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not as if Floyd has so much to really say. It’s more like the platform exists so he is just filling it up with as much of his BS as they allow him space.

Too true. Like the 24-hour news cycle; they have to create stories to fill up the space.

Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather

by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 4, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know why HBO let that ride for so long.

Thank you. I was sitting there watching it, growing more and more uncomfortable, thinking to myself, “Feel free to cut this any time, guys.”

Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather

by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 4, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

KittitasKid...

Very well put…..I agree wholeheartedly! I too was uncomfortable watching that scene and waiting for the cut!

"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer

by SmittytheCutman on Sep 6, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wondered then, and i wonder more now that the 2nd episode has come out—in it, Ortiz senior, whom VO took the time and the trouble to make contact with, was onscreen for just a few seconds—and what depressingly revealing seconds they were. A nasty-mouthed, beer-bellied, shack-living bum, the guys’ demeanor reveals in a moment the reason a mother could flee, abandoning her children, why a daughter couldn’t stay long thereafter, why a son, who did look back and found him, will never go back again. VO’s dad makes Floyd Senior, and even Roger, look like a couple of nature’s noblemen, a happy combination of Dr. Spock and Michael the Archangel. After all, they love LilFloyd. They really do. Ortiz Senior is unlikely ever to have loved VO, Temo, the sister, or anything else, ever.

Sadly interesting that both fighters are estranged from their fathers, VO with by far the greater justification.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Sep 6, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Ortiz pere may simply have not permitted more filming, but otherwise he was by far the most real character on their reality tv show. So it’s odd so little of him, and so much of Floyd vs Floyd.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Sep 6, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

If no one else has said it straight out, allow me.

Floyd is an ASS

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Sep 4, 2011 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, he is. And severely emotionally troubled. And very maladjusted. A poster-boy for what not to be, regardless of money.

by DrRck on Sep 4, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think everyone can finally agree...

Pacquiao doesn’t need Mayweather. He will go down as one of the all-time greats. Mayweather, eh, not so much.

by Dezlaw on Sep 4, 2011 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t that anyone has believed, for a long time now, that Pacquiao “needs” Mayweather.

This was a hot fight, two years ago, when we were just talking about a fight and the whole fairly mindless and meaningless issue of “pound-for-pound” best, but matters have gotten so much more complicated and bizarre that I’m not sure what the real issue here is anymore. They’re both getting older, too, and boxing doesn’t conduce to longevity.

They’re both terrific fighters, they have very different personalities and circumstances, but they don’t “have to” fight, do they?

by DrRck on Sep 4, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

None of this has anything to do with Pacquiao, nor either of their legacies

What are you talking about?

Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather

by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 4, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Someday we’ll all have the last laugh at Floyd. Someday very soon he’ll be broke, and he’ll be too old to fight, and he’ll have nothing to fall back on, and he’ll be a very pathetic human being. It’s inevitable.

by SilverLaker on Sep 4, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Like his daddy

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Sep 4, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

He goes broke every few years

That’s how you can tell the IRS is back up his ass: he deigns to take a fight.

Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather

by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 4, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not only broke

but he’s going to end up alone. Once all his money is gone who in the hell is going to stick around. NOBODY. If he doesn’t end up in prison he’s going to die broke and alone. I would say thats sad but since he’s such a douche bag who will really give a shit?

by johnnyurrotten on Sep 4, 2011 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I think

also that Delahoya made some outstanding points when talking about Mayweathers opponents. Plus the fact that Floyd is 34 and hasn’t fought in a year in a half. Father time catches up with everybody eventually especially fighters who depend on speed and reflexes. This kid Ortiz is young and hungry and definitely brings it. As an 8 to 1 underdog I might just half to put a little money on the kid. Who knows if he pulls it off maybe Ill be the one talking into a stack of money.

by johnnyurrotten on Sep 4, 2011 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

also that Delahoya made some outstanding points when talking about Mayweathers opponents.

Yup. 18-month break for a 34 year old. We don’t know what we’re going to see. Not everyone is BHop.

Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather

by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 4, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not everyone is BHop.

True, but so far Mayweather has seemed BHop-like in terms of his training, so I wouldn’t count on this personally.

Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Sep 5, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

Could go either way. But getting old overnight is a possibility.

Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather

by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 5, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

A'la Roy Jones Jr.

"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer

by SmittytheCutman on Sep 6, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

to say that Floyd relies on speed and reflexes isn’t accurate. He relies on timing, yes, but alot of his success has to do with ring smarts. He sees punches coming very well and is always defensively responsible. He rolls out after throwing his right hand. That’s good technique and not something he is likely to lose soon…He has been in with faster opponents like Zab Judah and he found a way to dominate him…I want to root for Ortiz but he tips off his power shots and doesn’t move his head enough….Floyd is too smart and technically sound for him.

by mambocowboy on Sep 4, 2011 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree with all of this. Floyd does have superior speed and reflexes, but what makes him so tough is that he’s ALSO the best technical fighter the sport has seen in generations. I think Floyd will actually age quite well as a fighter and still be very, very difficult to beat even into his late thirties, because his technique is so superior to everybody else’s. You take 20% of the speed and reflexes away and you’ve still got a flawless technical fighter with uncanny poise and focus.

by SilverLaker on Sep 4, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Floyd is too smart and technically sound for him

Thats why he’s an 8 to 1 favorite. Sometimes you have to roll the dice. Your right, Mayweather does have great vision and sees punches coming but to say that Floyd doesn’t rely on speed and reflexes isn’t accurate.

by johnnyurrotten on Sep 4, 2011 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

@johnnyurrotten, show me in the Mosley fight, where Floyd was walking Shane down with his high guard, how that was relying on speed and reflexes. Show me a recent fight of Floyd’s where he has relied on his legs for defense…He blocks and counters, he leads, blocks, and counters, he pulls and counters…Learn the sport buddy

by mambocowboy on Sep 5, 2011 12:25 AM EDT reply actions  

AND

what exactly do you think allows Floyd to COUNTER the way he does BUDDY. Speed and reflexes. Once you lose that I don’t give a damn how crafty you are with your defense you won’t be able to counter the way he does. What Floyd does so well is counter his right hand over opponents left jab with speed and reflexes.

by johnnyurrotten on Sep 5, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does Ms. Jackson remind anyone of Robin Givens?

Cuz I can see her taking about $10 mil off Floyd in a couple years, if he’s got it.

"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.

by lcollins1 on Sep 5, 2011 2:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Especially if he’s hitting her.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Sep 5, 2011 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said on FaceBook....

Call me the C.E.O. of the Floyd Mayweather Haters Association..aka the FMHA. I respect this guy’s talent IN the ring but outside of it his behavior is atrocious. Sure, ratings make money, I understand that but what you advertise on tv is horrendous. Ortiz is a BIG underdog, but it’s a matter of time before Floyd ends up on the canvas a’la Roy Jones Jr.

Oh it’s coming..it is just a matter of time. Keep stacking those legal cases and burning $100 bills Floyd. You will soon be forced to fight in order to pay off your bills.

"That was very funny about the old man basketball skills. One is lucky to escape injury when playing against those crafty, crusty sumbitches. And it’s just demoralizing when they demonstrate yet again how to use the backboard from range." - Charlie Custer

by SmittytheCutman on Sep 5, 2011 3:21 AM EDT reply actions  

The thing with his “daddy” is pure hype and bullshit to inspire ticket sales. But even worse, it’s an insult to our collective intelligence. These people make me vomit in plain sight (though I will buy the PPV).

"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity." - Mike Quarry

by Boss Man on Sep 5, 2011 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I was drunkish and in the perfect mood to enjoy the Mayweathers’ inanity, but after about 30 minutes, even in my inebriated state at the time, it all just started to seem sad.

I wish they had 24/7 around when Toney was young and good. That would have been a hoot.

Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Sep 5, 2011 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Floyd Mayweather is a disgrace. People can keep spouting all that “he’s only acting for the camera” bullcrap all they want, but the facts are simple – Mayweather is a d*ck.

I would love to buy the PPV because I think this is a great fight, I like both as fighters, and this is the most dangerous fight Mayweather has taken in years and years, BUT…. the thought of my hard earned money going into that a**hole’s bank account makes me physically sick. I’ll never buy one of his PPVs, and neither should anyone else.

by Girty on Sep 5, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I dunno, I don’t think Ortiz is all that dangerous to Floyd. Berto was a perfect style matchup for Ortiz, and Ortiz looked like complete doo-doo very recently against a slick boxer in Lamont Peterson. If Ortiz couldn’t get a W against Peterson less than one year ago, how’s he supposed to beat the slickest boxer the game has seen since Pernell Whitaker? It ain’t happening.

Ortiz will win a round or two maybe.

by SilverLaker on Sep 5, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Logic my friends.

I feel Ortiz already used his gold card when he jumped on Berto and surprised him in their last fight. Unless Ortiz comes with something different that we haven’t seen before, he’s not going to beat Mayweather. And Berto still managed to score two knock downs in that fight against Ortiz.

Ortiz is far from a complete boxer and right now Mayweather is the closest we have.

by Clove_art on Sep 5, 2011 7:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Let’s not forget that Ortiz was really really close to getting KO’d by Berto. The ref was getting ready to stop the fight and if Berto didn’t have the stamina problems, Berto would have beat Ortiz. FMJ is going to go after the weakest muscle in Ortiz’s body, his mind. Until Ortiz proves that he can compete in a physical and mental fight, I’m not all that sold on him. However, he is probably the best WW not named Pacquiao….

"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi

by Waldo Rastel on Sep 6, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ortiz would make a terrific four round fighter. Let’s see if he can make it to the last four this time.

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Sep 7, 2011 2:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Ortiz-Berto was a 12 round fight. Ortiz wasn’t flagging. I watched it last night, he did fine. He couldn’t get Berto out of there, but everytime Berto came back, he got knocked back.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Sep 7, 2011 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

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