Vitali Klitschko Wants To KO David Haye
by Waldo Rastel on Jan 10, 2012 2:53 AM EST
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Last year, David Haye managed to talk his way into a fight with Wladimir Klitschko. The fight itself was absolutely terrible with David Haye repeatedly complaining about a supposed toe injury. It seems that David Haye's smack talk was so good that he may have talked his way into a fight with the other Klitschko. Vitali spoke about the Hayemaker at length before his fight with Dereck Chisora to Kevin Francis from The Daily Star.
"David Haye is like an itch I can't scratch. It's unfinished business and it is itching all the time. It itches whenever I listen to David Haye. I always remember his bad words - what he said about me and my brother. I want to give him an answer - not with words but with my fists. I can't forgive him for the things he did. I don't care about his reputation. I want to send him to the floor. It is my goal. David Haye doesn't have any excuses."
It seems that David Haye talked his way into a fight with Vitali. The constant smack talk and the T-shirt images had a profound effect on both of the K-Bros. Vitali wants to fight David Haye not because Haye is a top-level heavyweight, but because he wants to physically hurt David Haye. Vitali then goes on to display his disappointment at Haye's supposed retirement.
"I was very happy when my brother defeated him, but unhappy as he then retired and I thought that my chance had gone. But now there is a chance, although we are still miles away from an agreement."
I would absolutely love to see a fight between David Haye and Vitali Klitschko. Vitali wouldn't just try to jab Haye into oblivion but he will be looking to absolute bombs. No one is going to need to encourage Vitali to go for a KO, he will be looking for it from the get go. Vitali also has very underrated footwork that will prevent Haye from getting on his bicycle. Haye has absolutely no chance in this fight if it ever happens. Do you guys think that Haye has any chance of winning this potential matchup?
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Nobody is beating Vit, not Chisora, not Haye, not anybody.
I also look forward to the KO.
by Shitali Klitschko on Jan 10, 2012 4:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions
“managed to talk his way into a fight with Wladimir Klitschko”
Sigh. Yes. He was just some random heavyweight with a big mouth who only earned the fight because of his talk. Yes. That’s definitely it.
“repeatedly complaining about a supposed toe injury”
He did it once. In the post-fight interview. For a clearly broken toe. The only person repeatedly going on about it is Dan Rafael. And, to be fair, as an explosive boxer himself who’s offensive strategy was to push off and leap in, he knows how little/much a broken toe would impede someone. No, wait, it’s bad form to criticise journalists and bloggers for never having boxed and knowing little about the mechanics of the sport isn’t it?
Just complaining about his toe once is too much. Good god, people have fought through broken jaws, broken hands, and disgustingly gashed eyes but never say a word.
@KoryKitchen32 on twitter
by Kory Kitchen on Jan 10, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Spoken like a man who does not follow Haye on Twitter.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
On the mechanics of sport: The pressure would be applied predominantly to the ball on the back the foot as he moves forward. The small toe would have very little, if any, direct pressure. It would be uncomfortable but would not affect power and would certainly not be a game-changer by any stretch of the imagination. Toe or no toe the result would have remained the same.
On him talking his way into the match: He certainly didn’t do much to earn a shot at the title. He had the grand total of 5 HW fights before Wlad… Tomasz Bonin (uhm… who?), an old Monte Barrett (Wlad beat Barrett 10 years earlier), an untalented statue in Valuev for the WBA strap, an old Ruiz who was never really that good even in his prime, and Audley Harrison who could not fight his way out of a wet paper-bag. Did he talk his way into the match? Undoubtedly yes.
That being said I hope to see him fight Vitali. I think Haye definitely adds something to the build-up of a fight and the verbal exchanges between him and Vitali would be classic. It’s a fight that I think Haye could win if his strategy and execution were picture perfect. Anything less and Vitali will break him down and eventually knock him out.
The problem is I don’t see Haye being disciplined enough to box his way to a points win and short of taking a sledge-hammer into the ring he’s not going to dent Vitali’s chin. If Lennox Lewis couldn’t drop Vitali, Haye doesn’t have a hope in hell. Still it would be interesting while it lasted. Eventually the molar-rattling straight rights would get to Haye and the fight would be stopped giving Vitali his coveted KO win.
It is not the mountain we conquer but ourselves.
- Edmund Hillary
by Stevosaurus Rex on Jan 10, 2012 5:59 AM EST reply actions
I think it’s a bit much to say Haye has no chance. Obviously Vitalis the favourite but it is heavyweight boxing and Haye has big power. He can knock Vitali out. Not saying he will, just that he can.
by whypunchrabbits? on Jan 10, 2012 8:59 AM EST reply actions
I don’t see how we know that at all. He did shake up Vlad on a couple of occasions and he did win a couple of rounds. Not that he was particularly impressive or anything but it’s more than any other opponent has done in a good long while.
And has been mentioned, people always seem to miss the point about the toe injury. It’s not a case of not being able to fight through the pain it’s a question of pushing off with the same speed he normally would. There were a lot of right hands that whistled past Vlads jaw in that fight and we dont know if without the injury or the loss of muscle control caused by anasthetic they would have landed but we do know they would have hurt.
Vitali probably wins this fight and theres a good chance he gets the knockout I’m just saying that its bit harsh to say someone as good and hard hitting as Haye has absoloutely 0% chance of winning
by whypunchrabbits? on Jan 10, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
he did win a couple of rounds
I don’t see how its possible he won more than one round.
Not that he was particularly impressive or anything but it’s more than any other opponent has done in a good long while.
Really? Because winning one round seems to be par for the course against the Klitschkos.
we dont know if without the injury or the loss of muscle control caused by anasthetic
LOL
Don’t see why thats funny. It’s up to debate how well you thought Haye did (think I had him winning 3 but i’m not sure to be honest) but a broken toe will clearly affect mobility. Similarly when you put local anaesthetic into a body part you don’t have the same control. For example when i had stitches put in a cut my mouth i could barely talk afterward due to the injection. We don’t know how much it affected him or if it affected the outcome (probably not) but it obviously had some affect on him same as it would anyone else
by whypunchrabbits? on Jan 10, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry this is boxing, we don’t (except serious homers such as yourself) except any pinky toe related excuses. Gatti fought with a broken hand almost every fight and more often than not won. Arthur Abraham fought with a broken jaw and won. Boxing is a brutal sport where athletes are often asked to persevere through injuries.
Is it totally fair? No, but it’s part of what makes boxing special. Trying to blame a pinky toe fracture for his awful performance was pathetic, especially when viewed in relation to the numerous examples of real heart shown by other fighters with far worse injuries.
There is nothing you can say to convince me otherwise. I don’t care if he got a tummyache from the novacane either…
But nothing you’ve said there is relevent to anything i’ve said.
It’s not a question of pain resistance or heart its a question of mobility. There is just no way that Haye could get the exact same speed pushing off with a broken toe.
Also as far as pinky toe related excuses go, at no point have i said that his toe is the reason he lost, i even went as far as saying that it probably wouldn’t have affected the outcome. It just gets on my nerve when people dismiss it entirely.
It’s all well and good to say that fighters should go through injuries and all the pain, blood, sweat and tears and all that. That’s fine. I agree. But to say it doesnt affect performace in any way, shape or form or that it isn’t a factor or shouldn’t be recognized as a factor just makes the sport a lot more simplistic than it really is
by whypunchrabbits? on Jan 10, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
What are you basing “he can knock Vitali out” on?
by Shitali Klitschko on Jan 10, 2012 2:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nothing more than he’s a heavyweight with a big punch and Vitali is flesh and bone like the rest of us.
by whypunchrabbits? on Jan 10, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, no. Not exactly like the rest of us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiC-n9-XqL4
"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter
Never know how he took that uppercut
That was massive
by Sweet science on Jan 10, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
I don't care about seeing this fight--
but
if it’s made, Vitali will get his KO.
Not a chance for Haye
he has no intention of taking the fight anyway, whatever they offer him, IMHO. All of the previous ‘negotiations’ was just hot air.
As a tall guy, you gotta make the shorter guy take risks to get to you. Go through a bad neighborhood to get you.
this fight would be the same, like the fight with wladimir, besides i don’t see haye taking this fight… i would like to see vitaly fighting again odlanier solis… i liked the way solis was fighting, in 1 minute with vitaly, solis did much more than haye in 12 rounds with wladimir…
by EL CIERTO (VEN) on Jan 10, 2012 12:30 PM EST reply actions
showing the toe wasn't nearly the most disgraceful thing that Haye did that night.
IMO it was him dropping to a knee just about every time Wlad got close. Really he should have been disqualified or atleast given a few standing 8s for those antics. When a fighter voluntarily goes on one knee it’s a knockdown.
He claimed it was to counter Wlad’s holding (which Wlad really doesn’t do that excessively compared to other heavies anyway), but there were at least a couple of times when he did it to get out of danger. In the sixth round he got trapped in the corner with Wlad loading up on power shots and what did he do? Go to a knee.
It was pathetic.
I appreciate you want to write an opinionated piece but seriously its a bit much.
You cant just completely dismiss Haye after one loss, he’s world class compared to any heavyweight in the division though second best to a Kitko- Would you rate Adamak, Derek Chisori, Tyson Fury etc over Haye? I wouldn’t. On pure speed alone he’s almost in a class of his own except maybe Wladimir
Also when did Vitali become this destroyer? I mean his record against some pretty average fighters like Albert Sosnowski doesn’t really back this up. When has Vitali not jabbed his opponents into submission?
Haye choked badly against Wlad but I kinda see Vitali as a better match up than Wlad due to Vitali being more aggressive and slower which makes him more vulnerable to counter punching which is Hayes bread and butter
Would you rate Adamak, Derek Chisori, Tyson Fury etc over Haye?
Adamek – Absolutely
Dereck Chisora – Absolutely
Tyson Fury – Eventually
Who the hell has Haye beaten in the HW division? Soda Popinski, er Valuev, Audley Harrison, John Ruiz, and Monte Barrett. So Audley and Valuev were sham fighters and Ruiz and Barrett were older than dirt. How the hell does that make someone the third-best Heavyweight in the world? Haye’s “greatness” is based on what he did in cruiserweight which was nice but he’s not a heavyweight.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Jan 10, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Also when did Vitali become this destroyer? I mean his record against some pretty average fighters like Albert Sosnowski doesn’t really back this up.
Well, add Odlanier Solis and Tomasz Adamek only in 2011, who were considered the top dogs next to Wladimir and Haye at their time.
When has Vitali not jabbed his opponents into submission?
Serious question? Looki – looki for a start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejC7OVLEevU&feature=related
"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter
Personally I always thought Vitali was the better matchup for Haye than Wladimir, too. Still do. Maybe it’s just the two of us.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 10, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously? Wladimir is the superior Klitschko, and yet everyone is talking like Vitali is the super Kraken. I’ve always said that Haye would fare much better against the straight back Vitali, and I’m positive he will. To quote Bob
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Haye choked badly against Wlad but I kinda see Vitali as a better match up than Wlad due to Vitali being more aggressive and slower which makes him more vulnerable to counter punching which is Hayes bread and butte
Haye looked terrible against Wladimir, as bad as everyone else does, which is fair comment BUT that was one fight. To write Haye off straight away is insane. Do you think the guy is coming back just to embarrass himself again? Hell no! He is coming back for a shot at redemption and he will not fair as badly this time. I’m no Haye fan, he’s a total self promoting schlock and and English one at that, but I believe next time he will be better.
Three of us! Let’s form a posse.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 10, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think the guy is coming back just to embarrass himself again?
I think the guy will be coming back for another big purse. And I think Vitali will do to him like he did to Sanders. Haye was running from Wlad already; how do you believe him to perform better against the tougher dog? He would loose on mental weakness alone.
"Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing – but none of them serious." Alan Minter
I’m not exactly writing off Haye, but I’m not as high on him as most people are. I don’t think that he would fair well against most of the top HW challengers right now, so how can I rate him so high.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Jan 10, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not a fan of Haye, but I don’t doubt he wants redemption. Haye isn’t stupid, he knows how he looked against Wlad. He’s got a lot of pride, and will push Vitali hard. As good as Vitali is, he isn’t nearly as fast or athletic as his brother. I could see Haye giving him a tough fight. I would lean toward a KO win for the elder Klitschko, but I never understood why people think he’s the better brother. On resume alone, Wlad is much better. Same with athletic ability, technique, power, speed, etc… Chin is the only real advantage Vitali has over Wlad. And even a great chin like Vitali’s can eventually be dented. Nobody is invulnerable. Haye deserves to be made the underdog against Vitali, but he’s a live one.
by Musashi on Jan 10, 2012 6:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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