What was your favorite Brit dust up?
by Boss Man on Jan 16, 2012 7:10 PM EST
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PrintMcPhilbin vs. Williams
A Dry Gulch at York Hall
"I know nothing about him, as far as I’m concerned he’s just an opponent for me to beat up, I’m the Champion and I’m gonna stay the Champion, I’m gonna look so good on TV as I beat him up, yeaaah."—Leon Williams
"It was fun to watch develop and it’s very easy to get caught up in the emotion, and I’m quite happy for McPhilbin because it was a great moment…this was great fun and it was nice to get caught up in someone’s moment."—Scott Christ (BLH)
"Having boxed so professionally through the entire fight, one moment of madness saw Williams docked a point as, in frustration; he attempted to throw McPhilbin through the ropes in the penultimate round."—Tommy Barber (OTB)
With just three weeks notice (following the withdrawal of Tony Conquest due to illness), unheralded Nottingham fighter Shane McPhilbin (8-2) met British cruiserweight champion Leon "Solid" Williams (9-4) in London on Jan. 13, 2012, in what many thought would be a mismatch and it was just that until very late in the fight. The challenger was decked once in round one and again in round six and the ending to the fight seemed preordained as the 26-year-old McPhilbin’s stamina clearly was in jeopardy.
Then it happened. Williams, the Lonsdale belt holder, began tiring in the 11th (though he had won every round), but in the 12th and final stanza, McPhilbin connected with a counter that decked and badly hurt Williams. The champ beat the count, but was met with a volley of shots culminated by an overhand right that again had him down. This time he was just barely able to beat the count. Shane moved in for the close with a combination of punches knocking the champion into the ropes and referee Marcus McDonnell halted the shocking assault at the 1:50 mark.
And there it was, McPhilbin had been knocked down twice, was far behind on the scorecards, but dropped Williams thrice in the final round to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat and give us what must be considered the Fight of the Year so far.
Here is a link to the last round.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axvQGYlQUU0
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axvQGYlQUU0
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Moore-Macklin is my favorite
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That’s mine, too, I believe. Moore-Rhodes was another great one. Jamie Moore was my kind of fighter, and turned out to be my kind of sensible human being when he looked inward and said, “You know what? I don’t have it anymore.”
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by Scott Christ on Jan 16, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
One of mine as well. It was the quintessntial Brit Dust Up.
I also loved Eubank-Watson, but the tragic outcome makes it a sad memory.
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
+1
Walsh v Appelby & McDonnell v Hall last year were pretty good too.
I enjoyed DeGale/Groves, not sure everyone else did.
by Shitali Klitschko on Jan 16, 2012 11:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I enjoyed the Degale Groves fight
I think it was because we were wrapped up in the story line
by Sweet science on Jan 17, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
Degale/ Groves was a good fight cos Groves won.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 21, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Wow. Good ones.
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Thompson vs Haye was another
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Andy Till vs –Charley Swift Jr. (1993)
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Yeah, might have been
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Benn vs. Logan. (1988) Benn getting hammered in 2nd but wins with monster hook
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
One of the most awesome two round fights ever. Benn was literally being pummeled around the ring and then – boom – it was over.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Jan 17, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Known as a woody popper
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Remember watching that at the time (on Fight Night maybe?), but I’m pretty sure Logan was Jamaican.
by Petersen Leigh on Jan 17, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, you might be right. My bad
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Lewis-Bruno and the Eubank-Benn fights all had a special atmosphere which made the fights that much more awesome.
Recent Brit dust-ups that I particularly enjoyed include Mitchell-Murray, Cleverly-Bellew, a number of Jamie Moore fights, as well as undercard gems such as Renda-Samuels and Concepcion-Hammond.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
Renda/Samuels was the double KO, right? Love that.
Also, Haye/Maccarinelli, just for the brutal finish.
by Shitali Klitschko on Jan 17, 2012 8:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Shea Neary vs Andy Holligan (1998)
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
indeed
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 21, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
gOMEZ WAS IN A LOT OF TEM
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Michael Brodie - In-Jin Chi I
That was a hell of a fight. Brodie got a hometown draw, which is a shame, but it was a fun, back and forth ride.
by Verklemptomaniac on Jan 17, 2012 6:17 PM EST reply actions
But CHI WAS NO BRIT
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Fought there, against a local fighter. And I saw it with British announcers. Close enough for me. =P
by Verklemptomaniac on Jan 17, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
What?!?!?!
No Haye-Harrison? (obv. joking)
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
Harrison-Sprott
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Danny Williams v Mark Potter. Williams dislocated his shoulder, they’d sent Potter to ‘the land of nod’ with one arm. Marvellous!!
That’s one of the best finishes I’ve ever seen. If anyone out there hasn’t watched it, you gotta catch it. Williams’ shoulder was atrociously dislocated – his right arm was literally just hanging out at the most awful angle for six rounds – and he wasn’t able to defend or attack properly. The corner and referee were so close to stopping it and then out of nowhere, Williams lands an enormous uppercut from no where which cleaned Potter out. Brilliant stuff.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Jan 18, 2012 5:51 AM EST up reply actions
I called it A PROFILE IN COURAGE
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Not a top of the line favorite or anything, but this feels like as good a place as any to mention that I still believe the Sam Webb vs Prince Arron fight from last May went overlooked to a big degree. It was coming on the heels of all those great, great fights from April, and was a domestic-level fight with no real star power at all, so it just sort of fell by the wayside, but that was a really good fight. So good it made me think Prince Arron might get up to Euro level, which of course we recently found out is not going to be the case.
For a short, pretty one-sided fight, I loved Haye vs Maccarinelli. Actually this sounds kind of shitty of me but I love pretty much all Macca fights — for one thing I think he’s a terrific guy and a pretty good, crowd-pleasing fighter, but the big reason is with his chin, every single round is tense. Anything can happen with him.
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Webb-Arron was great, you’re right. I’d still like to see Sam Webb again, possibly down at welterweight, because he’s got a lot of skills and is, IMO, fundamentally a better fighter than the likes of Arron. A lack of punching power cost him at 154 – as well as a particularly hot arena which, together with his high work rate, wore Webb out after the first four rounds – but I think he could give some of our domestic fighters absolute shits at 147.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Jan 18, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
Webb will take a long time to recover from the Arron fight… He took a lot of punishment before the stoppage.
Still searching for an alive Dan Tucker.
Too true. That went on for far too long, really. Webb showed a huge heart, but one of those times when either the corner or referee has to consider whether it’s worth the fight going on. He was still loosely competitive in certain rounds, but that was entirely down to instinct and courage. His legs were gone from the first knockdown on.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Jan 18, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
LINK?
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Part 1:
http://youtu.be/-pjmxPgr04s
Part 2:
http://youtu.be/2A2WuXAK-9U
Part 3
http://youtu.be/yHjVwbazp_g
by Petersen Leigh on Jan 22, 2012 7:31 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks mate
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Can't really class Marty Rogan British because he is from Southern Ireland (I think)
But he was in plenty of entertaining fights
Lee-McEwan
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Good shout
A brit dust up in the states. Rare beast
by Sweet science on Jan 20, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
But he visited Northern Ireland on occasion
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Racking my brain
Ryan Rhodes – Jamie Moore
Nigel Benn – Chris Eubank
Ricky Hatton – Eamonn Magee (mainly because of the build up and cos Hatton went down early)
Nigel Benn – Michael Watson
Nathan Cleverly – Tony Bellew
The one i really want to see:
Kell brook v Amir Khan. I pick Brook.
Great list
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Yeah , I was going to throw in Magee / Hatton .
Eamon got caught shoplifting not long ago. He’s always been a naughty boy has Eamon , hehehe.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 21, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Brodie / Chi – fook the rules of the thread – that ones well worth a mention .
That Chi was a real tough cookie .
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 21, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
No it isn’t an all brit dust up, but Derry Mathews & some Italian bloke put on a good little fight last night. Round 6 in particular was good
That's a reach :)
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Denys Cronin vs Chris Eubank because….. (a) I was there (b) Denys is a good friend © I got to call Eubank a tw@t . to his face after the fight (d) I didn’t get ko’d by Eubank ‘cos he couldn’t get to me .
I nearly missed this thread …work is a nightmare.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 21, 2012 5:50 PM EST reply actions
HEHE.
He was a right idiot that night mate. Poncing and posing between rounds – that sort of shite does not go down well with drunken Cardiff fans who have packed the place out to watch the home boy .
Him and his corner got the fook out of Dodge as soon as they possibly could that night I can tell ya ! :-)
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 23, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
All righteous reasons
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggYADHgqacA
Here’s the first round for you mate.
I’m the one shouting my nuts off.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 21, 2012 5:55 PM EST reply actions
My Lord. Sounded like a bunch of bats or vampires in the background. WTF
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Some of the older posters might know about this but i have always wondered why Herol “Bomber” Graham never fought the likes of Benn, Eubank and Watson.
Am i right in saying that they avoided Graham, a guy who could make fighter’s miss and look average?
It would have been great to have seen Graham vs any of them three, or Steve Collins, but the one that stands out most for me would have been Graham vs. Watson.
That would have been a highly skilled technical battle between two craftsmen, i think.
As we know “Bomber” is regularly referred to as the best British fighter never to win a world title.
He gave the great Mike McCallum all he could handle in losing by SD and was outboxing Julian Jackson until Jackson lowered the boom on him.
One of Yorkshire’s best ever, “Bomber” was, and one of the first off the Ingle’s Wincobank Gym production line.
I wish i could get more of his fights on dvd cos i was a bit too young to remember him in his prime.
BTW i saw Michael Watson vs Mike McCallum on ESPN a few weeks ago. What fight that was. Watson too gave McCallum a good fight but eventually lost in the 11th rd.
Just Checking
and Graham was actually born in Nottingham, but he trained and lived in Sheffield so we’ll consider him a Yorkshire lad. :)
I can’t think of another fight where I went from happy to sad so quickly. Herol boxing the face off Jackson one second and then Herol looking at the face of Jesus just after eating that right hand is something that will live with me for ever.
by Petersen Leigh on Jan 22, 2012 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
Graham released his biography last year called “Bomber – Behind The Laughter” where he talks about his attempted suicide, among other things.
Here’s a link to an article about it:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/boxing/3913120/Herol-Graham-I-tried-to-kill-myself.html
by Matt Mosley on Jan 22, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I really recommend that you read this link, Ted, or anyone else who remembers Graham.
There are some shocking revelations about his personal life.
by Matt Mosley on Jan 22, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
I will indeed, mate
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Wow , didn’t know about that.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 22, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Matt..
There was a story that they (Brendan Ingle and co) used to place a napkin on the ground, Herol would stand on it and they would challenge anyone to land a punch on him, apparently they couldn’t. Oh, and Herol never took his feet off the napkin. Maybe you can verify that.
Not at the moment but about an hour ago i just ordered his book off amazon so i will find out. :)
He had some great reflexes for sure, and could hit hard too.
He was like the precursor to Naz, imo. Not quite as effective but still an original and one of the best to come out of the Wincobank gym.
Just looking at his boxrec page and, if they have it right, he is listed as having a 77" reach. That’s a long reach for a middleweight. Ali’s was about 81" by comparison and most middleweight are about 72" or so.
Add that to the fact that he was a southpaw and a slippery, awkward type and you can see why he was avoided.
I’ve never really been a fan of Ingle fighters although I sometimes find Brendan funny as fook ( any one remember that Eubank thing in a press conference where he went ballistic with Chris ? Great stuff that ).
Herol was ok though – I liked Bomber.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 23, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I know what you mean. It’s one of them styles that can rub people the wrong way but i think it’s been refined a bit in recent years, probably through brendan’s son Dominic taking the reins more now. I think Kell brook is a good example of this, where he’s less hands-down-posing and more about getting the job done and showing good technique.
Some of them used to wear some questionable shorts/skirts, that’s for sure, prancing around like fairies half the time, especially Nelson, who looked terrified of getting it. :)
“Nelson” AAAAAARRRRRRRRR !!!!! Mention him again and I’m outta here !!
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 23, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Christ – you know how to push my buttons :-)
JW flustrated me beyond words as did Nelson. This " I’ve just got to knock you out with a huge , clean , flashy , single punch" shite drives me insane. OK if your Roy Jones not so ok if your a little less gifted.
Round after round of a jab now and again , lots of running around then a huge single uppercut often made me think " I could fooking do that"
Not for me – even though both Johnny and Witter did spark ’em now and again!
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 23, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think he could end up being a real good un Matt mate. His 26-0 isn’t exactly filled with names so he needs to push on now and step it up . I expect him to put a hurt on Hatton then hope he tips his toe in the deep end , see if he can hang with the big boys – it’ll be fun finding out if he can .
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 24, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
MaCallum was underrated. He truly was a great fighter.
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Am i right in saying that they avoided Graham, a guy who could make fighter’s miss and look average?
Could well be the case.
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Highlights clip here
of Graham vs McCallum, Jackson, Charles Brewer and Vinny Paz.
Look for Nigel Benn admitting at the end that he avoided Graham, and Paul Dempsey (the host) also states that Eubank admitted to not wanting to fight Graham.
by Matt Mosley on Jan 22, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Very good. Whatb truly great info has been posted on this thread . Great grist for future articles.
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
What
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
An oldie but a great dust up
Very sorry to hear of the death of former British and Commonwealth welterweight champion Brian Curvis, a man who beat Dave Charnley and went 15 rounds with Emile Griffith for the WBC and WBA world welterweight titles:
( CURTIS V SWIFT BOXING ) – British Pathe
www.britishpathe.com
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Curiously, The Prince did not have any as he fought outsidse of the UK and also KO’d most of his Brit oppoenets early in the fights. He was pretty dominant except for one fight. He was pretty damn special.
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
He was pretty annoying also.
I was there when he took apart Steve Robinson in Cardiff.
It was always gonna end that way but man it hurt that the clown prince beat our SteveO.
Just made me dislike him even more.
Hamed looked world class against ordinary foes but against a true world class operator he looked lost.
Naz had great power , speed and some crazy moves but I’d never put him in the same class as Morales , Marco , Marquez et al. They are special , Naz was semi-special imo.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 23, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Hamed looked world class against ordinary foes but against a true world class operator he looked lost.
Naz had great power , speed and some crazy moves but I’d never put him in the same class as Morales , Marco , Marquez et al. They are special , Naz was semi-special imo.
I totally agree Sir Jack D., and not just because i didn’t like Hamed the ‘personality’.
I think what you said there is bang on. He had his limitations, wasn’t well schooled in the fundamentals, and therefore got exposed by MAB.
Yeah Matt mate .
A big banger with zero plan B = fooked at the very highest level.
I was a little gutted when he retired(faded out with that awful comeback fight) …but only cos I wanted to see Morales stop him …which he would have no doubt. Jesus , the Morales now would have beaten a prime Naz imo.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 23, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
The Prince is like Mundine. He has no friends.
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
True dat.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 26, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
I hated that when he beat Robbo, he was a complete shit to him in that fight. I was in the States when it took place, so I bought a paper and read the news. Even the papers called it cruel, I felt sick when I read about.
Imagine – I was there !
It hurt but the no one really gave Steve much of a chance mate to be honest.
Great guy Steve – hard working pro and super nice guy – the opposite to Naz really.
Steve is still a real fit guy , teaches boxercise and gives personal training in the plusher Cardiff girly gyms.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 23, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Gary Sykes has been in a few good domestic fights:
vs Carl Johanesson (British super featherweight title)
vs. Andy Morris (British title eliminator)
vs Anthony Crolla
Crolla has also been in some good ones:
vs John Watson (British lightweight title)
vs. Andy Morris (English super featherweight title.
I think it would be good to see Crolla and Sykes rematch at some point, although Crolla might have bigger fish to fry now, even though he lost the first fight.
I’m a Sykes supporter but i think i would be picking Crolla in the rematch.
I reckon it would be another good fight between two guys with good engines who don’t like to back down.
Got to agree with that . Can’t ask for more in a fight than that really , no matter what country your in imo.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 23, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
It's nip and tuck with Cleverly Bellow for me
by Sweet science on Jan 23, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
also a good fight
Tony did much better than most thought he would. Tough guy .
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 23, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Very classy in his interveiw too
Same can’t be said of Cleverley. Bigging himself up and then said of Bellow “Fringe World Class”, after being given a massive scare by him….
Still, say what you want about Cleverley. He makes for some damm good fights, even though he would be much better off using his skills more
by Sweet science on Jan 23, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
You are correct – Nathan is becoming a little disrespectful – which wont help his broader appeal . I hope it was just nerves and relife from winning the fight coming out because , as you point out it wasn’t all Clev. !!
I hope he don’t turn into a motor mouth. I also wish he’d stick to his boxing a little more also.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 23, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I also wish he’d stick to his boxing a little more also.
I think it will take a loss and the subsequent change of trainer untill that happens
by Sweet science on Jan 23, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, Bellew was a gent and a very emotional one too. I reckon he won a fair few Welsh fans in there.
Yep, i agree.
cleverly’s gonna start losing em if he doesn’t tone the arrogance down a notch, imo.
He’s not as good as he thinks he is. Bellew showed that and very nearly beat him.
Both as a person and as a fighter i#m not quite as big a fan of Clev as i was.
He gets hit to much and he seems to believe his own hype a bit too much too.
I liked the guy anyway but Bellew won over about the same amount of fans that Clev. lost that night is my guess.
Matt makes a good point below – Clev. is good but he aint as good as he thinks he is , not yet anyway.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 24, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Would anyone give Mitchell a chance against Bam Bam Rios?
In his fight against Murray (Just watched it again) he showed some exemplary defensive skills, but early on he was very prone to getting hit by the right hand.
I think if Mitchell were to fight the fight of his life, he could give Rios fits, but he lacks the concentration IMO
by Sweet science on Jan 23, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think he has them very sound technical skills and punches hard for someone small for the weight, but i just think Rios would be too big and strong for him.
As you mentioned Mitchell was getting caught regularly early on by Murray and Murray was posssiby ahead at time of stoppage IIRC. He started to fade when he got cut.
I think Mitchell would gove Rios some trouble and i would like to see it, but i wouldn’t pick him to win.
Saying that, i didn’t pick him to beat Murray either. :)
I know Mitchell wasn’t at his best mentally for Katsidis, but of MK can do that to him, i’ve got to think Rios can kind of wlak him down too.
but i just think Rios would be too big and strong for him.
Murray looked tiny against Rios, but massive against Mitchell. I think that would be the telling difference. KM would have to stay right the hell away from Rios because his uppercuts are lethal. He does move his feet well though.
As Phil says below, I think it would be worth sticking a score on him, coz the odds would be favourouble…. I wouldn’t risk my Pick’m though :)
by Sweet science on Jan 23, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Matt, got my Sky back on now, so I watched that again yesterday, on fights of 2011 and you’re right, it was a good scrap. Mitchell just had a bit more in each department. It showed!
I know they can be baastards at Sky but they get nearly all of the sports on that i watch so it’s worth it i think, in my case at least.
I’ve got the boxing, NFL and rugby league, so i’m happy.
If anything’s gonna go from mine it at some stage it will be ESPN methinks as i’m not as keen on the UFC as i once was.
“not keen on the UFC as I once was” . Yes , BUT , George vs Nick . MMMMMmmmmmm. That I will stay up for and pay a fair few £’s to watch
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 23, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Do you mean GSP, SJD?
He pulled out injured. Will be out for months with ligament damage.
Carlos Condit is in as replacement though, so that should be a good replacement.
Bombs away i reckon.
Jesus , I didn’t know that. Bastardo !
When it happens ( ‘cos it will ’cos it’s not boxing) who’s your pickNick Diaz or GPS.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 23, 2012 4:30 PM EST reply actions
Diaz will have a tough time getting past Condit, imo.
It might be Condit who gets the next crack at George.
Yeah , the smart money is gonna go on GPS if Diaz gets through.
I love Diaz though , he’s on my much watch list.
I think if anyone can he can.
Thanks for the link to the revised card Matt mate.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 23, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Diaz is way too well rounded.
IMO GSP struggled at times with Shields, and Diaz >>>> Shields.
by Shitali Klitschko on Jan 25, 2012 3:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What about..
Hatton v John Thaxton, that was a bloodbath of a fight.
Hatton v Eamonn Magee, Hatton gets dropped by a short punch.
I have to admit that i never saw Hatton v Thaxton. I read about it though and remember it being bloody and Jon nearly getting the stoppage on cuts.
I mentioned the Magee fight further. One of my favourite Ricky fights when he was on his way up.
Sorry mate, missed your comment re Hatton/Thaxton.
As you say, he had some good fights on his way up. He always seemed to get bloodied far worse in the early days. Whereas, towards the end he just got laid out!! ;-)
Haha
I think his cutman, Mick Williamson, had a lot to do with him suffering less bloodyness.
I might be wrong but i think he also had some kind of surgery, maybe even pastic surgery, around his eyebrows to stop him cutting so easily.
Ted,
Does Micky Vann v Darkie Smith at the end of Hatton v Smith count? That could have been better than the fight itself!
Yep, Smth went nuts when Hatton fouled his son (father and son were boxer and trainer). He tried to intervene and lst his rag with Vann’s failure to stop the fight. He then charged Ann and pushed him oacross the ring. I’ll try and find it fr you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vehJTotdbEY
Jesus…. Gobsmacked
by Sweet science on Jan 23, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
What a twat he was
just…. wow…
I guess the trainer got his license pulled
by Sweet science on Jan 23, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Micky Vann acted like bit of a fanny though once he’d been shoved. Oscar nominee for the “mincey-est reaction to angry push from a fat bastard” category.
ha
Tobe fair he can’t do what he wanted (I.e chuck some punches) because he is an official. That would have been a career ender for Vann if he did anything else
by Sweet science on Jan 23, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
LMFAO @ The Micky Vann fan club.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 24, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
My mistake, it’s called “Give Me A Ring”.
Either way i’m sure the title is in line with Micky’s flamboyant in-ring style. :)
Only joking, he seems alright does Micky. He just likes to prance around. I think he lives fairly near me. Somewhere near Leeds.
I hear he does fitness training with some of the amateur rugby clubs, or used to anyway.,,He’s knocking on a bit now.
by Matt Mosley on Jan 25, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
He’s knocking on a bit now
Please translate
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Getting older. He retired a couple of years ago because he was over the 65 year old age limit for referees.
I would think/hope he will have along retirement too.
He always looked healthy and was in very lean shape, even more so for someone his age.
Just reading his wikipedia page and it says he is based in Leeds but was born in London. The latter part would explain his flamboyance. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Vann
Although, being a fellow Yorkshireman the only excuse i can offer for Johnny Nelson and co. wearing skirts into the ring is that they are from South Yorkshire.
As we say up North, “the further south you go…………….” :)
Thanks, lad
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Give me a Ring?
Jesus . Lmfao.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 25, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Sir jack, i asked you further up but you must have missed it; what do you think of Kell Brook?
He’s an Ingle fighter but not quite in the same mould. He has more to him, imo, better technique to go with his power and reflexes.
He’s still got a way to go but he doesn’t seem to be getting too cocky and is being brought along carefully (a bit too carefully up until lately, imo).
His next fight with Matt Hatton could be a decent Brit dust up, if a bit one sided in Brook’s favour, IMO!
“more to him” is exactly right.
Poor Matt Hatton may well take a fair few methinks.
I hope he does well , he should he’s got all the tools .
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 23, 2012 5:00 PM EST reply actions
Who would you like to see Brock fight next , if he gets by Hatton?
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 23, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Options are limited
If Khan does indeed step up to WW then that has to get done at some point. Too soon from Khan’s end, because Brook is yet to become mainstream
by Sweet science on Jan 23, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Boxing politcs aside, and if he gets past Hatton, Berto or Ortiz for me or one of them European “world” title holders who’s names i can’t remember.
And Mike Jones
He would be a good opponent this year some time.
Brook is 26-0 (18), Jones 26-0 (19). Brook is 25, Jones is 28, both nearing their prime.
I’m not sure how good Jones actually is and i think Brook beats him, but i would def like to see it.
Jones is pretty tall for the weight at 6’ and could be a bit awkward for Brook, imo, mainly because of the height. I would like to see it. Another UK vs USA fight.
I was thinking Jones – just cos their record , age etc. is so similar. May look the easiest option in the top ten from a Brook camp point of view.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 24, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
He seems like a good lad Matt. I always get the impression he’s always concentrating like mad when he’s fighting, he looks transfixed by his opponent. Am I a bit unfair though, when I say his progress seems somewhat, slow? Not a criticism, just an observation.
No, i think he’s being moved a bit too slow personally.
Eddie hearn keeps talking about being careful, but in my opinion, you’ve got to make the jump at some point, and brook is heading for his prime fight now.
He needs a title fight asap, imo.
I do think the Hatton fight ios a good idea though. It’s not exactly a step up but it’s gonna create interest in the UK and get Brook’s name spread more and make him a few quid.
He nedds to make the move after this though, needs letting of the leash.
I’m not sure that i would say his actual progress as a figther is slow, it’s more those who are promoting him, imo.
I think he’s coming alonmg nicely as a fighter but they aren’t giving him big enough challenges, imo.
We should be getting another good one if this is true
Bellew vs Danny McIntosh for the British title – April 14th
http://www.boxingscene.com/bellew-vs-mcintosh-heads-echo-arena-on-april-14th—48851
I think against Cleverly he really raised his game, and maybe it was the best level he’ll get to.
But i definitely think he’s got more than enough to take McIntosh.
Holy shit
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
probably that there is about 70 new comments since Ted was last here :)
by Sweet science on Jan 23, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
The explosion of 98 posts
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
I reckon it takes a Yank to get you blokes heated up, eh?
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Carl Froch vs Brian Magee is a fun fight. Couple of real fuckers in that one. Froch’s description of the fight in his book is a good read.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Good fight!
That was the fight where Magee needed oxygen at the end. Froch hurt him like I never saw anyone hurt him.
Can you say " f**kers" on this site?
Watch it , you may get a ban.
Yeah that was a good fight. “By guts not skill” should be Carl’s motto imo.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 24, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
"By guts not skill" should be Carl’s motto imo.
Too right, SJD.
Rarely has one boxer got so far on guts alone. Fair play to carl but lets be honest; he couldn’t even do the basic right. All that talk of him beating Calzaghe was a joke.
Joe would have won almost every round, i’m sure.
I would have loved to have seen Calzaghe vs Ward, btw.
Or what about RJJ vs Ward in their primes?
RJJ, Ward and Calzaghe are the best 168ers ever, imo.
\bute may have a shout in a year or so if he fights a legit contender.
Calzaghe / Jones prime ( both because Calzaghes hands were fooked years before he got his ass on a plane) would have been very interesting . Could have been a fight to remember that one.
Froch / Calzaghe would have played out like Lacy / Cazaghe( in my humble o) except Jeff had a half tidy defense !
It’s still unclear to me how good Ward really is – he’s obviously very good and looked like a great against Froch but hey , Brian Magee looked great against Carl at times ( except when he’s was getting knocked over/out).
Froch is the ultimate " how the fook did he win that" fighter for me. I don’t just mean how the fight went , I mean in a general way i.e. because he just looks so fucking clumbsy . Give the guy his due , he’s got a million miles further than his talent should have taken him . I’m not slagging him you understand , just stating the obvious. The guys got lots of attributes .
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 25, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe i was being a bit harsh on Froch. along with his guts he’s akso one of the toughest fighters out there and he has a certain amount of skill.
But he’s sooo slow. That’s his main downfall, imo, especially when he comes up against a speedy fighter or a slickster.
His accuracy is bad too and he has trouble connecting cleanly with his shots even in a toe to toe brawl, like he had with Kessler and Pascal.
He comes to fight though, and in that sense he’s a bit of a throwback, imo.
I bought a boxing book (there’s a surprise) by Teddy Atlas and Bert Sugar called “The Ultimate Book of Boxing Lists” recently and although at first i wasn’t overly impressed, the more i have looked at it the more interesting it has become.
Say what you want about Sugar (and i’m sure Ted will :) but he has a vast knowledge of watching the sport over decades and decades (as Ted does) and can bring up some names that i have never heard of before (like Sid Terris or Harry Jeffra).
It’s just a reference book full of short chapters with titles like “Best Left Hooks” and “Greatest Southpaws”, but i have found it very interesting and very easy just to pick up and have a look at now and again.
Bert and Teddy both rank their best fighters, by division, in the last chapter, and also their best P4P.
My point here is that i didn’t agree with either of their 168lbs Top 5 lists.
Personally, i would have gone:
1/ RJJ
2/ Joe Calzaghe
3/ Andre Ward
4/ Nigel Benn
5/ Chris Eubank
Bert goes:
1/ Joe Calzaghe
2/ Graciano Rochigiani
3/ Sven Ottke
4/ RJJ
5/ Nigel Benn
Teddy goes:
1/ Sven Ottke!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2/ Joe Calzaghe
3/ Nigel Benn
4/ Chong-Pal Park
5/ RJJ (SO LOW??)
My main gripe here is Teddy ranking Roy so low. In my mind the RJJ who fought at 168 and trounced an admittedly drained James Toney was the best Roy ever, and no doubt one of the best fighters of his generation.
I realise Roy wasn’t at 168 as long as Joe or Ottke, but he just looked so unbeatable then, at his peak, and personally i think that counts for as much as achievements and longevity.
I know Teddy comes up with some strange observations now and again, but to put Sven Ottke at no.1 and Roy at no.5 is just too ridiculous for words, and totally wrong, imo.
I could understand people putting Joe, or even a still young Ward at no.1, but not Ottke.
Please not Ottke.
Teddy was on drugs when he made his list. He’s put Das Panthom in at 1 insead of 101 ! Fook me .
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 25, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
typo's - love 'em
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 25, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Sven Ottke!!!!!!!!!!!!!. That says it all
Chong-Pal Park—puleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzze
Graciano Rochigiani—say what?
Actually, I like your list much better
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
So do I
Take your list Matt and throw in Ottke ( just ‘cos I’d like to see all the others maul him) and that would be a real super 6 eh? I would swim an ocean , climb a mountain and give up drinking for a whole day to see Nigel Benn / Sven Ottke.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 25, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
I know waht you mean, i would have liked to have seen Ottke in the mix just in the hope that he would come in last after getting KO’d by whoever he was drawn agaisnt.
i have to say though that thinking abiout it now, i would rather see James Toney in with them guys.
Would have loved to have seen both RJ and Toney against Benn, Eubank, Collins and Watson.
Does anyone remember Jonny Armour? He was a blood and guts fighter. Apparently he was a milkman, who after doing his round, used to have to get two buses to travel to his gym to train. He had a trilogy with Francus Ampofo, winning all three.
Here’s a bit of what he was about. Hope the link works.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyOs5LZ8hlk
Good call for Armour – Ampofo as a Brit Dust up too because, although Ampofo was born in Ghana, he was based in the UK for quite a long time. He probably still lives here.
+1
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
I remember little Johnny. I also remember the mullet. Don’t know what happened to him – I’ll google.
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by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 27, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
excellent
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
I'm hopeful of these future Brit dust ups becoming reality at some point
Amir Khan – Kell Brook
Tyson Fury – David Price
Scott Quigg – Carl Frampton
George Groves – James DeGale II
Nathan Cleverly – Carl Froch
Nathan Cleverly – James DeGale/George Groves
Nathan Cleverly – Tony Bellew II
Carl Froch – George Groves/James DeGale
Matt Macklin – Darren Barker
Darren Barker – Martin Murray
Matt Macklin – Martin Murray
Ricky Burns – Kevin Mitchell
Paul McCloskey – Ashley Thephane
Anthony Crolla – Gavin Rees
Gavin Rees – Gary Buckland
Scott Quigg/Carl Frampton – Rendall Munroe
Lee Selby – Stephen Smith II
Chisora Fury
With Chisora coming in shape too
by Sweet science on Jan 26, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully, Del Boy won't kiss him
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Holy Mackeal
I’d love to see a rematch between Ashley Thephane and D-Rod
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Tyson Fury – David Price- let’s get it on.
Darren Barker – Martin Murray, a cracking prospect of a fight
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Richie Woodhall vs Catley
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Holy shite. Robin Reid won by KO today.
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Showing this now
Oh and what a beautiful KO it was. Walked him right onto the R hand
by Sweet science on Jan 28, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Good one. The latest is the greatest
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
I will back him up on this. It was a very good fight between two relative novices.
Ochieng was 8-1 going in, Quigley 10-1.
I was quite impressed with the winner.
Quigley didn't stop coming forward
Pumping out the punches
Ochieng was doing his own version of the rope a dope almost. Showed good defensive skills and then countering his man.with good sharp hooks, wearing him down.
by Sweet science on Jan 29, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
link?
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Not the best quality and only short
but considering the fight only happened last night, here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWvHdhXqGPA
A better one will probably be up shortly.
Thanks, lad
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
GDay Ted , been on holidays so its good to be posting again mate .Carl the cat v Haye , Lewis v Bruno , Bruno v Bugner , Mark Kaylor v Errol Cristie and Colin Jones v Kirkland Laing were a few that I thought of straight away. All grudge matches . All the fights involving Benn , Eubanks and Watson were amazing as well. Cheers mate .
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