Mayweather vs. Pacquiao: Mayweather Won't Give Pacquiao a 50-50 Split
by Waldo Rastel on Jan 20, 2012 3:51 AM EST
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Floyd Mayweather was doing so well in the PR battle. He had the backing of the social media from his callout of Manny Pacquiao and he had Bob Arum making terrible excuses about why this fight could not be made. I would have to believe that most of the country thought that Arum was the biggest roadblock for making the biggest fight in history. And then this happens. Floyd emails one of the anchors on SportsCenter about the phone conversation he had with Manny Pacquiao.
"He asked about a 50/50 split and I told him no that can't happen, but what can happen is you can make more money fighting me than you have made in your whole career. I also let him know I'm in control on my side but he needs to get on the same page with his promoter so we can make this fight happen."
After reading that statement you should slam your face into your hands and repeat as needed. With that statement we all know that this fight has no chance of happening by the May 5th deadline. Everyone knows that the only way this fight happens is if both fighters agree to a 50/50 split. Even if Pacquiao agrees to a worse split, there is no way that Arum signs a deal that has Floyd Mayweather taking more of the pot than him.
If you are going to have a conversation like this, don't email ESPN and tell them about it Floyd. This makes you look absolutely terrible. You took all of the good PR that you had and flushed it down the drain. Everyone is going to blame you because you are greedy and you want more of the pot. Congratulations, Floyd. Way to screw the pooch on this one. In light of this information do you think either Floyd or Arum should shoulder most of the blame?
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this seems to push it to
a 52/48 with arum as the big end. floyd is gonna make more then he ever has too so why change now
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Jan 20, 2012 4:13 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Floyd shot himself in the foot
Before pretty much all the blame was on Arum. but now that he wants more money… its all on his shoulders.
The fans were starting to back Mayweather, i dont see why he would ruin all the good press he has been getting with this stupid demand!!!
I hate boxing some times
I wish boxing had some sort of reward scheme
45/45 split with the other 10% going to the winner. Simple as!
No Mas, No Mas
I give up! There are plenty of good boxing matches lined up and MMA to keep me entertained.
by honorablecbm on Jan 20, 2012 7:42 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Bad Move
Both corners have equal star quality, so a 50/50 split is logical. Help me out here— I thought Golden Boy was out of the picture? If that is the case, Mayweather’s 50% is truly his keep. Manny’s 50% cut is shared with Arum. Either way, it was a bad PR move to reveal that info.
by honorablecbm on Jan 20, 2012 8:02 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Hold Up
I seem to recall early on in this drama that Manny was saying he would even take a lesser purse to get this fight done.
Money quote:
"I‘ve said this over and over before and I’m saying this again, I want Floyd Mayweather Jr. to be my next opponent and I haven’t changed my choice despite recent developments. I am meeting with my promoter, Bob Arum on Tuesday and I will insist that the fight with Mayweather be given the preference than the four others in the list I will fight next. I will abide by his demand for drug testing. I am even agreeable to get lesser purse just so the fight would push through."
Now it may be one of those Manny quotes that isn’t actually a Manny quote, but to Floyd’s defense (I mean that in the loosest sense of the word) Manny is apparently on record saying he would take less. At this point, my interest in this fight has waned severely. I’d much rather see Floyd in with Martinez and call it a career.
Good point
I read that article earlier this week
by honorablecbm on Jan 20, 2012 8:53 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Manny might want that
Bob won’t though
Does say that in the article too
by Sweet science on Jan 20, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
People have short memories OR just are not aware
I believe Manny has said this on more than one occasion.
I think the reactionary response will paint Mayweather Jr. greedy but What About Bob?
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 20, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Also the so called email might be fake
by Mohammedini Hussein on Jan 20, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
I thought I allowed for that
I purposely caveated that the email/report could be either fake or disavowed by Manny. In any event, my point was that Mayweather may have been operating under that misinformation (whether valid or not). I personally think this is much ado about nothing. This is a negotiation (unfortunately in the press) and this could be akin to an opening bid of sorts.
source for the quote in this post?
Did they announce it on Sportscenter? Who was the anchor?
by Tysox88 on Jan 20, 2012 9:03 AM EST via mobile reply actions
“He asked about a 50/50 split and I told him no that can’t happen, but what can happen is you can make more money fighting me than you have made in your whole career.”
Um, Manny has taken some large purses in the past. Floyd can count to 100, divide it by 2, and then subtract some, but he can’t go much further than that.
MAYWEATHER IS RIGHT!
THEIR STAR POWER IS NOT EQUAL…PEOPLE GET IT CONFUSED, MANNY IS LOVED WAY MORE THAN FLOYD BUT FM MAKES WAY MORE MONEY PER DIGHT AND BRINGS IN WAY MORE PPV’s PER FIGHT, PERIOD. FM FOUGHT JMM AND MADE MORE MONEY AND PPV’s THAN BOTH OF PAC VS JMM FIGHTS COMBINED. HE MADE MORE AGAINST HATTON, MOSLEY, AND DE LA HOYA THAN PAC DID. IT SHOULD BE A 60/40 SPLIT IN FABOR OF FLOYD. NOT TO MENTION THAT EVERYONE REMEMBERS THAT MANNY SAID OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH THAT HE WAS WILLING TO GIVE UP THE LIONS SHARE OF THE POT….LET’S SEE HOW MANY ARTICLES MENTION THAT AND POINT OUT THAT HE’S GOING BACK ON HIS WORD OR AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT READ SAW THAT? IT WAS ONLY A MONTH AGO….WELL IF YOU MISSED IT HERE ARE THREE SEPERATE ARTICLES ON IT.
http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11391.html
-http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=527712
-http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1006310-pacquiao-mayweather-agreed-to-fight-but-venue-date-and-purse-still-unresolved
by BOXING MACHINE on Jan 20, 2012 10:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions
YOUR CAPS LOCK KEY IS BROKEN!!!!!
"Boxing is like dealing with a ho"
-Bernard Hopkins
I don't disagree that Floyd is the biggest ppv seller in boxing. Numbers don't lie.
However, it’s not out of line for Pacquiao to demand 50/50 in that it’s not so far off. If Floyd wants the fight as bad as he is saying, then money shouldn’t be the concern if Pacquiao will split the purse.
STAR POWER!
WhO r U PiCKinG?!
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by Oli Goldstein on Jan 20, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
This boxing machine is stuck in 5th gear. Tech support, please?
by El Destruyo on Jan 20, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
...uh...no.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 20, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Where is this from?
I couldn’t find it on espn, boxingscene, or fight hype. Was it just on sportscenter or something? Dan Rafeal doesn’t have it on twitter.
Anyway if it’s true then Floyd just lost the PR battle for sure. Even though Pac said he would do less then 50-50 before, we all knew that wasn’t happening, nor should it. They both deserve the equal money.
"Boxing is like dealing with a ho"
-Bernard Hopkins
It’s just from last night’s SportsCenter. They had the quotes up and I just copied them down.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Jan 20, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
No 50-50, no fight
It’s as simple as that. Lots of people say some bullshit about what circumstances they’d be willing to fight under, but these two aren’t getting in the ring unless it’s a 50-50 split.
Mayweather may feel like he’s a bigger star, and he certainly has a bigger American following. But they’re probably on roughly equal footing in terms of global draw. Floyd’s used to taking the vast majority of the money made in his fights, so is he willing to scale that back for Pacquiao?
The thing that I think people miss is this isn’t really about the money, per se. It’s not, IMO, that Floyd desperately wants an extra $1-2 million from the fight. He’s got plenty of cash. It’s a respect thing. Floyd thinks he’s a better fighter and a bigger star and feels he shouldn’t have to concede on the split.
I feel this fight won't get made until
Floyd publicly humbles himself a little so that Arum feels he’s won something.
Or maybe until Manny is ready to retire and it’s his last fight.
by LooseCannon on Jan 20, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
I love this overreaction...
as soon as Floyd Mess up a bit with a clumsy comment it negates every lie Bob Arum said.
From the 6 month cut, to the stadium, to the outright refusal to fight may 5th date.
Mayweather says it’s not gonna be 50-50 BOOM people forget everything Bob did to avoid the fight
by Mohammedini Hussein on Jan 20, 2012 11:35 AM EST reply actions
I think you’re highly underrating just how members there are in my camp, Mohammedini: the Everyone Is Fucking This Up Badly Camp.
We haven’t forgotten Arum, but this is just our current thing to be angry at. And then Bob will do something dumb, and maybe Golden Boy will do something dumb, and our sad little sport of headlines will continue. That is to say, dude, we’re way too jaded to pick sides anymore, and kind of think anyone who can is half-insane.
by El Destruyo on Jan 20, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I just think its funny how someone that has been supposedly chasing a fight for 3 years would make s many excuses for a fight not happening
I just find it also convenient that a promoter (You might not know this guy Bob Arum ;)) Hates Floyds guts.
Also When was the last time FLoyd fought anyone from Bob’s stable?
Btw didn’t Bob Block fighters from fighting ODLH when ODLH left Arum, Namely Floyd(the reason Floyd left).
So this just follows a pattern of vindictive sociopaths behavior from Arum.
The guy blocks a fight for 3 years, making it look as if Floyd is performing a massive duck, while protecting his cashcow and connect Pac’s name with FLoyds so that every Floyds name get brought up, you get Pac’s name mentioned.
by Mohammedini Hussein on Jan 20, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
meant for EL dest
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Jan 20, 2012 1:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Nobody has forgotten..
But you know damn well that anything other then 50-50 is a deal breaker as well.
"Boxing is like dealing with a ho"
-Bernard Hopkins
Years of the press not Calling Bob Arum out on his lies and yet a harmless comment like this make people flip out
Harmless in something that can easily be talked over.
Also didn’t PAcman selflessly “offer” to take a lower purse?
Maybe he is eating his words
by Mohammedini Hussein on Jan 20, 2012 11:40 AM EST reply actions
As of late...
everybody in the press has been calling out Arum for not wanting to make this fight. Rafeal and Iole in particular…
"Boxing is like dealing with a ho"
-Bernard Hopkins
yes now...
2 months doesn’t negate almost 2 years of bad press
by Mohammedini Hussein on Jan 20, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
I said for the last year that Pac Floyd ain’t NEVER gonna happen until it’s bhop rjj 2 territory. To top that off, I knew all along the PED accusations were demands… nothing more, just demands to get the higher ground in negotiating, to make Pac look like an ARSE, and to hold off on the fight a little longer… and all along pple are strung along by a guy who has a record of avoiding the best opponents in his division, who protects his record like his shoulder protects his chin, who has injected PEDs in his knuckles, who has admitted to domestic violence charges, who has assaulted employees, and who has fought the lightweight champion at a fake catchweight, an older champion who he refused to fight in 2009 after the Marg fight, and a young, green fighter who had no chance of beating him. Great Floyd! Let’s keep listening to Floyd on twitter, maybe he’ll enlighten US, punk!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
All I got on Pacquiao is that he has illegitimate children running around, but by his in ring record and his out of ring record in boxing, he’s pretty spotless except for the mosley fight.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
60 40 i'll whoop yo' arse!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJbOw_5DPiE
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
We should create a drinking game
For every time you bring up the domestic case and JMM fight, everyone has to take a drink.
By this rate I would become a raging alcoholic cus you are bringing it up daily.
I love that Pactards(cus you are a pactard ) loves to bring up the wife beating and FLoyds former use of Xylocaine
by Mohammedini Hussein on Jan 20, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I mention that b/c they’re true. They’re facts. Facts that you, Ben Thompson and Vivek Wallace (are you Vivek Wallace?) like to ignore. And that Floyd is god, never wrong… every time someone says something agst Floyd, MUST be a pactard, even tho I’m not that big of a pacquiao fan… he looked like shit in two fights and is going down hill… I’m stating facts, one’s character is a big representation of whether you could trust the person or not. Floyd simply dug himself into a bigger hole. I’m glad you keep on record what I say, b/c i tend to gloss over what you have to say b/c you’re so pro-Mayweather that you never see anything objectively… i’ve listed pros and cons of pacquiao, b/c i’m an andre ward fan, so pacquiao doesn’t always do it for me, i can list the pros and cons of floyd…. brilliant in the ring, picks his opponent, smart and makes a lot of money, dishonest and egotistical… pacquiao: a machine in the ring, picks his opponents now, very popular, a gentleman….
as far a arum, i dont listen to his posturing. I’m indifferent to him. sometimes he’s good for boxing, sometimes he’s not (gamboa juanma?). but, floyd’s character has everything to do with this situation, b/c ppl trust his word, and I’m asking why?
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Comical post!
First off, you are a massive Pac fan and teh fact that you try to hide it is just comical.
I had a heated argument with you a couple of months ago where you got so emotional over PAc.
And another thing, You accuse me of not being objective and emotional when you bring up completely unrelated thing like “Floyd is a wife beater and a scumbag” tyope comment in every thing related to the guy.
You also bring up the JMm fight like you just found out about it multiple times.
Criticizing FLoyd for a fight that happened 3 years ago using words like “a blown up lw that he tricked with a fake catchweight” and so on isn’t emotional?
What does the JMM fight ahs to with this?
Also the fact that you seem to think Arum has nothing to do with the fight not happening just confirms what I already knew.
That you don’t seem to know whats going on with the whole thing.
I gather that you only get your info from BL.
its a great source of general boxing news but it’s still a one man crew and everything doesn’t get reported.
The point is Bob Arum is the main reason why the fight hasn’t happened.
Emotional that you are, you have a problem not blaming everything on Floyd.
or you don’t know wtf you are talking about, which seems very possible
by Mohammedini Hussein on Jan 20, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
I love that Pactards(cus you are a pactard )
Yeah, this will get you banned pretty quickly.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 20, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I went out of line
I admit that.
Too much boxingscene XD.
by Mohammedini Hussein on Jan 20, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
It happens.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 20, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
We get it FLoyd is a scumbag
But Arum is performing the duck of the century.
Why have I never heard you mentioning that before?
Why ahve you not commented about the ridiculously stupid stadium excuse or the “cut that won’t heal for 6 month” excuse from Arum?
You know criticizing Arum has nothing to do with you god Pacman
by Mohammedini Hussein on Jan 20, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I’m glad you’re so emotionless and reserved about this.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 20, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm
Mayweather wanted Mosley back in 2007 and it was Shane who backed out. I recall him using the lame excuse of his tooth being loose.
by honorablecbm on Jan 20, 2012 1:55 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
JMM
Why is it ok for Manny to rematch the “lightweight” at a catch weight, fight an over the hill De La Hoya & Mosley? I will go back even further — Morales was on his way out in the 2nd match and Barerra was shot as well. Manny also ducked junior Jones and Zahir Raheem… All fighters have a suspect resume. All fighters have skeletons in the closet. We want to see The Fight, we are not christening a saint. Look at both sides my friend.
by honorablecbm on Jan 20, 2012 2:04 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Its not 100% the commenters’ fault. No one reports on Manny from an objective view here in America. Actually, probably the media from Philippines does a far better job. Its easy to make Manny to look good and Floyd to look bad. Floyd does make it easy for the US media to make him look like a bad person, tho.
Manny ducking Raheem is laughable hater material, but I’ve heard it before. Ducking Junior Jones, that’s a new one. Morales was shot, yet he needs only one eye to give Maidana a very tough fight. You know, they guy that made Ortiz quit in 6 with an eye swelling.. And as washed up as Barrera was for the rematch, he was coming off a very close fight to a still prime JMM.
by HamzaWanderaWRSCO on Jan 20, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Nice
Zahir Raheem & Junior Jones are laughable? I will even go as far to say he ducked Mark Johnson & Joan Guzman too. Look at his fights Morales – 2 and Barrera again. They were on their way out…
by honorablecbm on Jan 20, 2012 2:46 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
He ducked Junior Jones? Do you think he ducked Kennedy McKinney and Tom Johnson too?
@KoryKitchen32 on twitter
by Kory Kitchen on Jan 20, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
That’s common wisdom they were washed up, I don’t even dispute it. What I’m saying is, they were still better than just about anyone around. Remember when Barrera blew out hapless Fana in 2? Then for the next couple of years, Fana was ranked top 3 by the Ring at SFW, including 1 for a stretch. I’d expected/hoped JMM would handle MAB easily on freshness at least, but that fight was uncomfortably close.
I’ll humor you on the ducking: Manny probably could have fought Guzman at some point, and could have had issues with him. But Guzman left his punch at 122. Even his flagship post 122 win in Soto was somehow underwhelming, if I remember. And everything that came after that makes it hard to feel too sorry for him. Raheem, I dunno, was he supposed to fight him instead of avenging his defeat to ATG Morales, one division up? Next thing, Raheem loses in yet another stinker. He was a talented spoiler (in the worst un-tv friendly way), who had no confidence in his chin. And no speed advantage against Pac, bad combo. And ultimately is a pimple on Morales ass, never even managing to bag a cheap title for all his slickness. I do wish him the best, and think he was hard done by against Juarez. But his eyesore style does him no favors.
OK, now Manny’s supposed to have ducked Mark Johnson too? Please give the timeframe.
by HamzaWanderaWRSCO on Jan 20, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with everything you said except the Raheem fight should have happened because Raheem was still able to make super feather at that time. Raheem fought Morales at 132 or 133 because Morales couldn’t make 130 anymore. Why not fight the winner instead of the loser?
by 36_chambers_ofdeatH on Jan 20, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Because the winner still wasn’t worth as much money. Do people really wonder why these things happen?
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 20, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t wonder why didn’t happen, I just think it makes sense to fight the winner instead of the loser, but we know common sense isn’t welcomed in boxing.
by 36_chambers_ofdeatH on Jan 21, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Because Manny had a loss to avenge. Not to mention that Morales is a legend, and that Pac Morales 1 and 2 were highly anticipated, and awesome action fights. Raheem is as much of a pain to watch as to fight, unless he’s totally not threatened by his opponent.
by HamzaWanderaWRSCO on Jan 20, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed , and the second Morales-Pacquiao fight was the best of them all.
by 36_chambers_ofdeatH on Jan 21, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
this is seriously the best possible fight in combat sports
why the fuck cant these guys make it happen
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"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
Looks like my thoughts about the phone
conversation were pretty close.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
That was a solid 8/10 on the truthiness scale.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Jan 20, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
So would this be 50/50 of everything?
Even Floyd’s hot dog money?
Isn’t covering any aspect of this entire spasm of lunacy, aside from some formal announcement of a signed contract with a date and venue, simply killing precious moments of our lives? Or, more precisely, isn’t covering anything whatever to do with FMJ a waste?
I think the fight won’t, and shouldn’t, happen. What would be lost?
Nothing, anymore. This fight entered RJJ vs Hopkinsville 2 Pac fights ago. It’s no longer The Fight.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Disagree to a degree
It still is the fight.
But not the fight it once could have been
by Sweet science on Jan 20, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
It absolutely is nowhere near RJJ-Hopkins II level. They are still the two best and biggest fighters in the world. Some of you guys who want to downplay this fight’s importance and meaning are making some really absurd statements, to be honest.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 20, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
70/30 split
According to ESPN UK. If that is the case, Floyd really doesn’t want to take these negotiations seriously.
I know
Someone just needs to get a handle on his mouth/ego. He can ask for a 70/30 split in private and negotiate from there; when he does it in public it makes him look like he doesn’t have a grasp on reality (or that he just wants to talk in circles until the fight is off).
I think he just likes seeing the media pretty much cover his every move. All this week he is pretty much the only boxer that is mentioned on the espn info ticker (i just made that name up, i dunno what its called).
The name of that thing on the bottom of your screen when u watch espn, i think its called ‘the bottom line.’
Oh
Yes, I think that is what it’s called.
No doubt
He is good for the sport (as loudmouths usually are). Bombastic personalities sell tickets. The problem we have here is that there are no tickets to be sold since his mouth is ruining this fights chances.
45-45 split.
The winner gets the remaining 10%.
Ahoy-hoy.
Last round pick of the Filipino Reccing Machines
"Why fear death? I don’t need anything, I don’t have anything, I don’t want anything. I think it’s silly for somebody to be scared of dying. One should be afraid of being born. I have already told my children when I die I want a party, with no alcohol, no hell raising [general laughter]. But I want a party with music, food… I don’t know if you guys believe in reincarnation, but we all go and come back until the day we no longer have to return. My brother [Carlos Gracie, already deceased] used to say the fellow only stops returning to Earth when he mingles with the Whole. Even when you’re thinking just a little bit wrongly, you come back to continue evolving. Hell, my friends, is right here on Earth." - Helio Gracie
Never going to happen, especially if that 10% is something like 10 million dollars.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Jan 20, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
why not.
Economically speaking incentive schemes like that provide the most efficient outcomes in fights. Giving fighters further incentive to go out there and win. A lot of the problems where fighters run for 12 rounds can be avoided with some sort of incentive scheme.
by TheBod on Jan 20, 2012 5:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They don’t want to take the risk of losing, and therefore, having less money. Also, say if someone got screwed over by terrible judging now they’re out of $10 million through no fault of their own. Too much risk involved for most elite fighters to accept it.
@KoryKitchen32 on twitter
by Kory Kitchen on Jan 20, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
This also encourages corruption. If judges are only paid $50,000 for a big fight yet $10 million is riding on their decision, then the temptation to bribe and the temptation to accept a bribe is extremely high.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Jan 20, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Strange
I thought Floyd was WAY above Manny in PPV numbers…
In order of buyrate for their last few fights:
-Floyd Mayweather vs.Oscar De La Hoya -2,400,000
-Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez- 1,450,000
-Floyd Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley-1,400,000
-Manny Pacquiao vs. Shane Mosley-1,300,000
-Manny Pacquiao vs. Oscar De La Hoya-1,250,000
-Manny Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto-1,250,000
-Floyd Mayweather vs. Victor Ortiz-1,250,000
-Manny Pacquiao vs. Antonio Margarito-1,150,000
-Floyd Mayweather vs. Juan Manuel Márquez-1,050,000
-Floyd Mayweather vs. Ricky Hatton-920,000
-Ricky Hatton vs. Manny Pacquiao-850,000
So there is one outlier when DLH was still considered a viable threat and huge PPV buy. Aside from that, where is the justification that Floyd is a bigger drawl?
Floyd’s average buyrate is 1.404m including the DLH fight (a total of 5 fights)
Manny’s is 1.208m (a total of 6 fights).
Against common opponents:
Floyd: 1.4425m
Manny: 1.2125
Those numbers are dead even without DLH in the mix.
Manny: 1.2m
Floyd: 1.123m
If you remove the fights against non-common opponents, and remove the one PPV marquee name that they both faced equally, they sell virtually the exact same amount of PPV.
That is true.
Though I have no idea which way that would push the results.
I think the whole “Floyd draws more” argument showed a greater disparity before Manny fought Mosley and Marquez in 2011. Up to that point, his biggest draw was Cotto all the way back in 2009. In 2011, they’re pretty much dead even.
Here’s a question in general — does anyone know how non-USA viewings are accounted for, both in viewers as well as revenue? We know quite well the price and viewers for HBO/Showtime, but what about internationally? I had read the Pacquiao/Marquez fight was the most viewed event in Mexican television history.
by Competent Laurence Cole on Jan 20, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I took that into consideration, which is why I left out all of their market share (non-ppv) fights and Mayweather before DLH (Low buy rates for Gatti 365,000, Judah 374,000, Baldomir 325,000). It’s safe to say that DLH MADE Floyd a PPV stalwart, as he was nothing before that fight. I also left out Manny’s Morales/JMM PPVs.
I have looked for the viewership in Mexico and Philippines ( as well as weekend volume in Vegas for each fighters respective fights) and I can’t find cited numbers.
In reality
Neither of these guys really started to destroy the box office until people started talking about them fighting each other.
Mayweather-Hatton I think did something like 1.4 million buys in England which is pretty amazing when you consider they are much smaller than the U.S. I stand to be corrected if I am wrong, but I think that’s what I remember reading.
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by Kory Kitchen on Jan 20, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
1.4 official for Floyd Vs Hatton in the UK. The Brits really thought he could win that fight.
As for a previous question, JMM vs Manny 3 hit 37 million viewers in Mexico. That’s a 30 share of the rating, by contrast the highest rated program in US history did a 46.
By population the Superbowl had around 111m viewers out of a population of 309m, JMMvManny 3 was 37m/113m.
Superbowl= 35.9% of the US population
Fight= 32.7% Mexican population
The foreign numbers don’t matter much since they don’t come at $50+ a pop. Even the UK PPVs are like 15 pounds. What is so impressive is they got those numbers for a 4 am fight.
by HamzaWanderaWRSCO on Jan 20, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I have never even bothered to take foreign numbers into consideration. Assuming we just talk about viewership, their is no doubt in my mind that Manny has put more asses in the seats and eyes on the T.V. than Floyd, but what matters to Americans (and most of the market) is how they do with paying customers inside the U.S.
by younggunzvt on Jan 20, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
He never really wanted this fight....
He called and had duBoef on the phone twice in the past three weeks and NOT ONCE asked to actually sit down and make the fight happen.
It was pure profiling.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
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