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Robert Garcia Discusses Kelly Pavlik in Oxnard, Donaire vs Rigondeaux, Brandon Rios

Trainer Robert Garcia (right) doesn't think Nonito Donaire needs to bother with Guillermo Rigondeaux. (Photo by Chris Trotman/Getty Images)

Ryan Maquinana had a two-part interview with reigning Trainer of the Year Robert Garcia (he won the illegitimate Bad Left Hook award, too!), and Garcia discussed topics concerning three of his top fighters (well, two and a new guy) as well as other topics.

Links: Part 1 / Part 2

Garcia on Nonito Donaire facing Guillermo Rigondeaux:

Robert Garcia: I don’t even think [Rigondeaux is] going to be in the picture. There’s bigger names. I’m not saying that Rigondeaux is not that big of a name. He’s a world champion now, but we have the [Jorge] Arces and [Juan Manuel] Lopezes and all these other names that Top Rank handles that make more sense for money and TV and everything.

BoxingScene.com: So are you saying you don’t think Rigondeaux has earned a shot at Nonito yet?

Robert Garcia: He still hasn’t, and that fight makes no sense. And we’re better off fighting the Arces or moving up and fighting the Lopezes and [Yuriorkis] Gamboas at featherweight than fighting Rigondeaux who nobody really cares about.

This is kind of a runaround answer from Garcia, but that doesn't surprise me at all.

Star-divide

We discussed the other day that while Rigondeaux is no big star and is never going to be, he is potentially a stylistic nightmare for Donaire, and here's what I said about the fight then:

Rigondeaux can beat Donaire, and stands a very good chance of doing so should he get the opportunity. In fact, he stands a good chance of shutting him down and making him look bad, which is even worse. Maybe it's a 50-50 fight. Maybe it's 60-40 in Donaire's favor. But boxing promoters don't generally like to make fights with their star fighters that are any less than 70-30 on paper for the fortunate son. It does happen, but not often.

Which is why, quite frankly, I doubt Donaire will go near him, or perhaps more accurately, why I doubt Top Rank will ever seriously consider putting that fight together. They're not dummies: Donaire has value as a potential star fighter. Rigondeaux does not. Risking Donaire's upside on a guy like Rigondeaux might be interesting boxing for many of us, but it's not your typical boxing business.

Garcia is trying to softly say the same thing here, I think: Rigondeaux is dangerous and presents too even an on-paper matchup for Donaire when you take into account Rigondeaux's total lack of marketability.

Jorge Arce is probably the absolute easiest semi-credible fight on the planet for Nonito Donaire, as he's a reckless, no-defense brawler, short, not very fast, not a cagey stylist or anything, and is there to be hit and picked apart by speed and power, which Donaire has in spades. Donaire vs Arce is a marketable mismatch -- Arce has no hope in hell of beating Nonito Donaire, but Arce is very popular and very well-known and makes for exciting fights, even when he gets his ass kicked.

Garcia does also mention Juan Manuel Lopez and Yuriorkis Gamboa, but the Gamboa mention is just a press nibble, as Gamboa is headed north in weight and isn't going to be sitting at 126 much longer, while Donaire is making his debut at 122 on February 4 against Wilfredo Vazquez Jr.

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Garcia also says that Kelly Pavlik, who recently joined his camp, is "fitting in" nicely in Oxnard and is working with nutritionist Cecilio Flores, who is also working with Brandon Rios. Rios is tentatively scheduled to be back on March 3, but a potential fight with John Molina appears to be falling apart with Molina having some promotional issues again, and is using the nutritionist to try and stay at 135 pounds in the short-term and to keep healthier between fights, as he's been known, not unlike Ricky Hatton, to fatten up between bouts and get a little lazy. (Though not to Hatton's extremes, it should be said.)

Pavlik, says Garcia, weighed in at 173 recently, so they're thinking it might be possible for him to return to middleweight instead of fighting at super middleweight. There is concern that Pavlik simply isn't going to be very good over 160 pounds, and his one fight at 168 certainly wasn't impressive, nor did he look good in his 170-pound catchweight beatdown at the hands of Bernard Hopkins, and he wasn't even particularly good at 164 for his rematch with Jermain Taylor, though he did win that one.

I'm really interested to see if Garcia can maintain his success. I think Rios is really a legitimate top fighter, but also sort of a ticking time bomb who could have a very short prime. Donaire needs to be kept away from certain guys, and Garcia himself knows that, or appears to acknowledge it any rate. Pavlik is Pavlik. Antonio Margarito is functionally finished as he only has one good eye. And Mikey Garcia, who is set to face Michael Farenas on March 10 in Puerto Rico on the Salido vs Lopez II card in a WBO featherweight eliminator, still has a lot of question marks.

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If he returns at SMW, how about a fight with Froch down the line?

by Sweet science on Jan 23, 2012 3:28 PM EST reply actions  

Perhaps. I mean in theory, in a world where Kelly Pavlik becomes relevant in more ways than being ranked in Steve Farhood’s weird top ten, it’s a good fight.

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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Jan 23, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

If he can make weight, middleweight would be his best divisio. He’s at his best when he can leverage his advantages in height, reach, and power at 160. At 168 it seems pretty certain those advantages will be significantly diminished.

by Sammlung on Jan 23, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes just sometimes

You have to blockquote yourself and then analyse what you said. Quite nice.

"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi

by Waldo Rastel on Jan 23, 2012 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

arce and lopez? they are just two guys that nonito can beat so easily, and garcĂ­a just named gamboa to look good cause everybody knows that a nonito – gamboa fight is not going to happen at least not in a few years… i would like to see nonito facing rigondeaux, that would be a huge fight, it’s a shame that people who handles boxing is not thinking that way…

by EL CIERTO (VEN) on Jan 23, 2012 4:59 PM EST reply actions  

Arce..not doubt. Not sure about Lopez being an easy out.

Have to see more against Salido, but he’s a a big, talented puncher with loads of heart. Not sure how Nonito would handle that weight.

by DPlainview on Jan 23, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Donaire fought once at 122 two years ago.

"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."

by cylee1180 on Jan 23, 2012 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

Nope.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Jan 23, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

re: Pavlik moving from 160 to 168 and having a hard time with it, why is there an eight pound jump from 160 to 168 and only a seven pound jump from 168 to 175? Doesn’t make sense…

by mambocowboy on Jan 23, 2012 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

147-154, 7lbs, 118-122 4 lbs, 115-118 3lbs, 122-126 4 lbs, 130-135 5 lbs, 175-190 15 lbs (cruiserweight!) or is it 175-200?, 200-infinite… who knows?

"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."

by cylee1180 on Jan 23, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

168 didn’t exist not all that long ago. What would you prefer they have done? 167? You’d have the same thing in reverse.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Jan 23, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Since you ask, actually I’d prefer getting rid of 168,154, 140, etc, and going back to same day weigh ins

by mambocowboy on Jan 23, 2012 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

Same day weigh-ins are really dangerous because the body doesn’t have enough time to rehydrate after a weight cut. In theory, this would discourage big weight cuts. In practice, it would lead to dehydrated fighters fighting and getting badly injured.

by Verklemptomaniac on Jan 23, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Same-day weigh-ins are dangerous because guys are still going to cut weight really heavy, just do it a day later and not really rehydrate as much. Brain injury risk goes way up. They changed that for a good reason.

The only weight classes I’m really against are 105 and 108, and I’m not against them so much as I could seriously live without them and not miss them whatsoever. A lot of the in-between divisions just help elongate relevant careers. If a guy can’t make 135 anymore but is too small for 147, he’s just sort of left in no man’s land. I have no problem with 140 existing.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Jan 23, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

A Pavlik comeback would be all Hollywood but even in Hollywood not all endings are happy.

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Jan 23, 2012 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, 140 is a great division for guys that will eventually make 147 when they are ready. Though it’s a legitimate title to hold, there’s no doubt that everyone ranked at 140 is chasing big names in 147.

A firestorm to purify.

by RyanSexton on Jan 24, 2012 7:53 AM EST reply actions  

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