Robert Guerrero Wants to Face Shane Mosley, Prove His Worth as Mayweather Challenger
Robert Guerrero, who was largely laughed off (or shouted off) as a potential May 5 opponent for Floyd Mayweather Jr before Richard Schaefer put a public stop to all that talk, says now that he's willing to prove his worth as a potential Mayweather opponent by moving up to welterweight and facing ... Shane Mosley.
Just as when Mosley came up as a rumored opponent for Amir Khan, I'll say these three things:
- Mosley is 40 years old.
- Mosley is shot.
- Mosley will be used by someone in a lame attempt to increase their value. Canelo Alvarez's name has also been attached to Mosley.
Guerrero and Khan are guys who could use a win over a name opponent, but man -- I think Shane Mosley is being read all wrong by some of these dudes. He was booed out of the building for his "performance" against Manny Pacquiao, drew nothing but bad press for his awful fight with Sergio Mora, and had one good round against Floyd Mayweather. He's just not the fighter he used to be. He's not remarkably different than Roy Jones Jr anymore. If he fought some scrubs, he'd win a few, too, just like Roy does between ugly losses.
Just so no one thinks I'm using hindsight here, this is what I said the morning after Pacquiao vs Mosley:
I hate to say any fight was "easy," but Manny Pacquiao had it pretty easy last night against old Shane Mosley. It pains me to "trash" Shane Mosley, but we have to be honest about who he is. If anyone ever tries to sell you another Shane Mosley fight with the speed that we know he doesn't have and the trigger we know he can't pull, hey, watch it if you want to, but expect nothing.
And here's what I said right after Pacquiao vs Mora:
I've got no interest in seeing a visibly worn-out, old, and tired Shane Mosley get in the ring with Andre Berto or Manny Pacquiao or anyone. I know how those fights end at this point, and it's not pretty. Shane Mosley has taken a lot of damage over his Hall of Fame-bound career. The time to get out is now. I don't mean to knock Mora when I say this, but if Shane Mosley can't convince three ringside judges -- no matter their experience level -- that he won a fight with Sergio Mora, it's time to hang it up. He'd be getting out while the getting is as good as it's going to get.
Mosley (46-7-1, 39 KO) probably will lose badly to either Khan or Guerrero if he fights either one of them. It's not because Khan or Guerrero are such great fighters, either. It's because Shane Mosley is done. The real Mosley smokes either of them, in my estimation, the same as the real Jones would have clowned Denis Lebedev, Glen Johnson, or even Joe Calzaghe. Like Khan and Guerrero, those three men were good fighters at their best, but not great. Jones and Mosley were once great. And that was a long time ago at this point.
So forgive me if I don't find any legitimate value in a Guerrero vs Mosley fight. It's not Guerrero; it's Mosley. But I don't think much of this call-out, either.
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these type of fights are made with the casual fan in mind. get a name (shane), mix with a “prospect/future star” (guerrero), and stir. end result is the casual fan being impressed by the younger guy’s domination of the vet. and the rest of us die hard fans just roll our eyes
by KidSleez on Jan 26, 2012 11:23 AM EST via Android app reply actions
end result is the casual fan being impressed by the younger guy’s domination of the vet.
Yeah, in theory, but it never actually works out that way because by the time a guy like Mosley is at this point, nobody cares. Same as Jones, who can’t even successfully book a fight in his hometown anymore. Did the casual fans suddenly pop boners over Timothy Bradley after he fought Joel Casamayor? Because if they did, I missed all the wood sprouting.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 26, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, I guess I should’ve specifically stated that was the hypothetical outcome the promoters are looking for. that’s why I was saying we as fight fans know better
by KidSleez on Jan 26, 2012 12:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
This reminds me of Dela Hoya-Chavez
Except I think this one is worse. As for as washed up guy with a huge name fighting up and coming prospect.
"Winning is Everything"
Failure is not an Option
If you're not first, you're last
Well, I guess it’s worse in that Mosley now is worse than Chavez in 1996, but 2012 Guerrero is no 1996 Oscar on his best day with unicorn enchantments.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 26, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
What in the hell?
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by Kory Kitchen on Jan 26, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Marquez has officially confirmed his move up to welterweight, so if Khan and Guerrero really want to prove themselves worthy of a shot at Mayweather they should fight Marquez.
"I'm not God, but I am something similar."
—Roberto Duran
Marquez has officially confirmed his move up to welterweight
I don’t think he has. I mean, I know that’s the line the WBO is using to name Ricky Burns “full champion” at 135, but Marquez is also happy to fight at 140 or 135 again for the right fight.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 26, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I cant really see Marquez going back down to 135, he’s done all he really needs to do in that weight class. However i do think Marquez – Bradley is a strong possibility at 140 seeing as both parties have expressed an interest in that fight. But with majority of big names in the 140 division moving up to welterweight, there wouldn’t really be many other interesting fights around … i mean whats left once they all depart for 147? A past prime Erik Morales?
"I'm not God, but I am something similar."
—Roberto Duran
by Counterpunch on Jan 26, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Marquez-Peterson is very possible right now.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 26, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Also, yes a past prime Erik Morales is entirely viable. It’s worth money.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 26, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
If Morales gets by Garcia, (no gimme there), I would love to see Marquez-Morales.
It would get huge buzz, and it’s a potentially great fight.
Morales – Marquez, is a fight that should have happened years ago and it’s a shame it never did because i imagine it would have been one hell of a fight. But at this point in his career despite all his heart and the fantastic performance he gave against Maidana, i’m not sure if Morales has it in him to fight at Marquez’s level. There would be nothing sadder than watching a legend like Morales take a one-sided beating for 12 rounds. Then again Morales proved everyone wrong with the Maidana fight and he could feasibly do it again, but i expect Marquez – Morales would depend on his performance against Garcia, so unless he beats Garcia convincingly this fight should never happen.
"I'm not God, but I am something similar."
—Roberto Duran
by Counterpunch on Jan 26, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Who would have ever predicted that Shane would have become someone to beat just to get a "name’ on your resume? Wow, what a sad story. Only in Boxing. Well, maybe in some other areas as well, but boxing is so very predictable with this sort of thing.
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Was just starting to type the same exact thing, Ted. In boxing, like many endeavors (but not all; Hendrik Ibsen wrote his best plays in his elderage), if you hang around too long, you’ll almost always go from puncher to punching bag.
by El Destruyo on Jan 26, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
It’s like watching great ballplayers when the fastballs become too fast, but they’re getting punched in the head and can’t do anything about it.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 26, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
in every sport, some guys will always hang on for too long for a long list of reasons (money, love of the game, nothing better to do, etc)
by KidSleez on Jan 26, 2012 12:26 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I didn't really get into boxing until around three years ago...
But is that the general consensus on Calzaghe? I know that beating Hopkins wasn’t seen as a big thing back in 2008, but surely history looks more kindly on that win now. And Kessler is a tough fighter too. And the Lacy win was before he was terrible.
Just honestly curious.
Beating Hopkins was a big deal, and Calzaghe was a really good fighter, maybe low-end great. I have no issue with Joe Calzaghe, really. But a prime Roy Jones would’ve destroyed Joe. As crafty and clever as Calzaghe was, he had no real punching power and wouldn’t have been able to handle Jones’ athleticism and speed. Maybe others disagree, but I don’t see prime Jones vs prime Calzaghe as a tough fight for Roy, as much as I respect Joe. It’s more about how phenomenal Jones was.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 26, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
oh yeah
calzaghe is a sure HOFer. but Jones would have crushed him.
by journeyintosound on Jan 26, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Scott only seemed to be comparing Joe Calzaghe to The Roy Jones Jr., as opposed to the one who has stumbled through the last (has it really been a?) decade. Calzaghe is a fine fighter and a Hall of Famer, in my opinion, but as with Rocky Marciano (and perhaps as with Floyd Mayweather Jr., in the future), retiring undefeated doesn’t inherently make you the greatest.
Looking more closely I felt Bhop made it a closer fight, if not could have edged out a victory in that most of Calzaghe’s punches missed, and Bhop was more accurate… but I remember at the time thinking Calzaghe was outworking Bhop and Bhop was struggling… but judging it live I would have still given it to Calzaghe, and I can’t be sure who would have won a rematch, or more so, who would have watched it … haha.. but I wish Calzaghe finished it off by fighting someone young and in their prime like Dawson…
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I agree but Mosley’s name still generates views. Peoples ears just perk up a bit because it’s such a familiar name and if Guerrero were to fight him then a lot of people who had no idea who Guerrero was before the fight would then come out thinking he’s a real good fighter because he just beat Sugar Shane Mosley!!!
I think sometimes the moves/decisions that make hardcore boxing fans upset are those that are directly aimed at gaining fanship with the casual boxing fan.
Just as an example my uncle knows far more about boxing than I do. He used to box, he used to train fighters, he used to ref. But he isn’t as “connected” as I am because I am young and privy to the internet and all that. So for a guy like him, who loves boxing but really only reads about it when it’s in the LA Times, or only hears commentary from guys like Max Kellerman—this is the kind of fight where Guerrero’s name would become familiar since he’s matched up with a guy who already has that brand name, even though he’s long past his prime. And there are more fans like my uncle than fans like us here who like to browse the interwebs for the latest reads on unknowns like Rigondeaux and the others.
So what I’m saying is, what I mean, good move for Guerrero, even if a win doesn’t prove anything I didn’t already know about him.
Why is Guerrero so intent on leaving lightweight?
That division is becoming sooooo good right now. Linares, DeMarco, Antillion, Rios, Marquez, Burns. I would like to see the Ghost take on any of those names even if some of them are impossible (Rios, Antillion, maybe Marquez)
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
I think you answered your own question.
Not that Guerrero is a ducker, by any means, but why waste time taking riskier fights for less money when you can cash in on punching bags?
by Shitali Klitschko on Jan 29, 2012 4:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

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