Pacquiao vs Bradley, Marquez vs Peterson Mini-Tournament an Option Without Miguel Cotto
Top Rank promoter Bob Arum is pitching the idea of a mini-tournament involving four top fighters, should Miguel Cotto not sign to fight Manny Pacquiao for a second time on June 9. From RingTV.com:
"We could have a tournament. Let's say that if Mayweather doesn't ever come to the table, which is a possibility," said Arum. "Then let's say that Manny fights Bradley because Cotto has a problem with the weight, then Marquez fights Peterson, and the winner of that fights fights the winner of Pacquiao-Bradley -- if that's the fight that we make."
Cotto does indeed have a problem with the proposed weight to fight Pacquiao -- Cotto won't fight under 150, Pacquiao won't fight over 147 -- and Bradley (28-0, 12 KO) has been looking like the second choice to face Pacquiao on June 9 if Cotto balks. This could lead to Cotto fighting Floyd Mayweather Jr on May 5, which Cotto says Mayweather will take at a full 154 pounds, or to Cotto waiting until July and perhaps facing Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
Golden Boy's Richard Schaefer has his own thoughts on Arum's tournament idea:
"I could give a shit about Arum's bullshit tournament. It just goes to show you that he's already saying what he's going to do in November. He had no intentions of doing a Pacquiao fight with Mayweather. I hope that the public realizes that this guy did not want the fight. ... The fact is that at least he realizes that he's having two semi-main events with the winners fighting each other. We believe that the time for doing tuneups and lead-ins, that that time has come and gone. We believe in only promoting main events. Every one of our fights is a final."
The latter part is a bit confusing, considering Schaefer was proposing a welterweight tournament to HBO in September when Mayweather was fighting Victor Ortiz (in fact, news of the tournament idea came out that very afternoon).
I mean, it seems like he's talking about Mayweather and Pacquiao specifically, but then he says "Every one of our fights is a final," which is peculiar, considering I don't think anyone but Oscar De La Hoya on Twitter considered Canelo Alvarez's bullshit (oops!) fight with Kermit Cintron a "final" or anything more than a "tuneup" or "lead-in," particularly after the sobering reality of what Kermit Cintron is (or more relevantly, isn't) really hit people after seeing the fight. And why even bother getting started on that night's Adrien Broner televised co-feature disgrace (which was a main event in Cincinnati)? World title fight!!
But, no, totally, Golden Boy only brings us the best, most evenly-matched fights out there. All the time. It's true. They do business differently. And why Schaefer had input right away on this idea is...well, you can probably guess why. Bob Arum isn't often given space to immediately dump on any Golden Boy plans in The RING.
The bickering between the two companies has gone more out of control than ever, really. They're both living in fantasy land at this point.
As for Arum's proposed fights, they're good fights. Bradley is a fresh, talented challenger for Pacquiao, one some feel is a good and very tough style matchup for the Filipino star. Marquez vs Peterson has been talked about by both fighters, and both seem legitimately interested. (This would also mean that Schaefer doesn't get the Peterson vs Khan rematch he so desperately wants, which may also be riling him up somewhat.)
Still, despite any criticisms of Schaefer I might have just laid out, or might ever say, this would pretty much fall in line with what he predicted a couple of weeks ago, when he said he expected Pacquiao vs Bradley, Marquez vs Peterson, and Chavez vs Cotto.
If those fights all happen, though, it's on him to find a fight for Floyd Mayweather Jr on May 5, and his hands are close to tied. Canelo Alvarez says he wants it, but will Golden Boy risk him losing badly to Mayweather at this stage? Robert Guerrero has been rejected by the public at large as even an idea, and Schaefer has stated that fight won't happen, so if they went there, they'd have to explain that.
Also, just sayin', not really trying to break balls here: There is exactly one proven welterweight in Arum's tournament idea. It's Manny Pacquiao.
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OH! A boxing tournament! I can’t wait for it to happen, two guys to win in the first round and then argue about pay on the finals and it to never happen.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 26, 2012 4:27 PM EST reply actions
Or one drops out with “head problems”.
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by Kory Kitchen on Jan 26, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldnt Cotto/Chavez have to be on PPV and do well in order for Cotto to make near what he would make in a Mayweather fight?
Or is PBF that cheap and Cotto would make around the same money either way?
Also I know these guys(Pac, May) have automatic rematch clauses in case they lose but are the terms already set for a rematch. Because the way I look at(and I’m probably wrong) wouldnt Cotto make the most money fighting Mayweather and then believe enough in himself that he would beat Mayweather and get even more money for a rematch?
Cotto-Chavez would do very well on PPV. Cotto could probably be guaranteed $5 million for that one, same as he was for Margarito.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 26, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
And how much do you think Mayweather would guarentee him? Is the money about equal or do you still think he makes more money off 1 fight or the other?
I can’t imagine Mayweather going higher than $7M, $8M at the absolute, tip-top most. Anything higher would really shock me. He’d make more money from Floyd, but he’s also more likely to lose. I don’t know how much that matters to him — or, I guess, how many millions it’s worth.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 26, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure about the money, if Floyd has taught us anything, moving up in weight has to come with a price
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
All depends on what Floyd allocates to Cotto should they agree on other terms to fight.
Mayweather values himself very highly. Others not so much
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
by pakinpower on Jan 27, 2012 1:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I love those two fights to be on one PPV to make a ‘supercard’ type thing, but that is not going to happen.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
If you’re going to go this far into this weird little tournament, I think you have to do that. It’s not like you can sell Marquez-Peterson on its own anyway, unless you’re putting it on HBO.
Its the only way I could imagine ‘Marquez v Peterson at Cowboys Stadium’ actually happening.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Jan 26, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
It’s about as likely to happen at Cowboys Stadium as Clottey vs Margarito II is.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 26, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Marquez-Peterson is its own draw on HBO. Really good fight. I highly doubt they’d put it on a PPV undercard, because there’s real money in the fight.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 26, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Plus, Marquez will want his own Mexican TV money.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 26, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
I hope all of this pans out...
…because these are all NEW match-ups I’d pay to see, preferring Cotto-Mayweather to Cotto-Chavez Jr. And for anybody who thinks that Bradley’s a dangerous fight for Pacquiao, I don’t see the guy who fought Casemayor on the Pac-Marquez undercard being dangerous to ANYBODY halfway decent, let alone Manny. Regarding the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight falling through yet again, let’s face it: Floyd has NEVER wanted to fight Manny, bottom line. That was obscured by Arum’s recent PR fumbling, but reconfirmed once again in the end by Mayweather’s rejection of a 50/50 split. I think Manny and Top Rank should just call all of Floyd’s bluffs — drug testing, 60-40 split, venue, date, venue, etc. — and just see what new excuses he’ll come up with, just for the hell of it.
Bradley is an excellent fighter, go watch the Lamont Peterson fight and see just how well he dominated a skilled and dangerous opponent, in three different styles no less. He hasn’t been active recently but don’t let one mismatched fight sell you on the quality of fighter he is.
This is actually one of the reasons I think Top Rank should give Bradley another fight before Pacquiao.
by theninthlayer on Jan 26, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Floyd wants something closer to 70/30 so 60/40 would be negotiating against themselves
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
by pakinpower on Jan 27, 2012 1:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Someone's going to get screwed over here
Lemme tell you this – it’s not going to be Bob Arum. I don’t want to write a short essay, but there’s just no way in hell this would ever work, and Arum is an idiot if he draws up the contracts so the winner of the second fight automatically gets Pacquiao.
Also, wasn’t “Lightweight Lightning” supposed to be the first round of some kind of Golden Boy tournament, except they actually couldn’t get themselves together enough to pull it off?
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Also, wasn’t "Lightweight Lightning" supposed to be the first round of some kind of Golden Boy tournament, except they actually couldn’t get themselves together enough to pull it off?
Yep.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 26, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
This tournament is for the birds
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
It has the grace of a swan, the wisdom of an owl, the eye of an eagle…
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by Scott Christ on Jan 26, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
These are all good fights if Mayweather keeps acting like an a$$
Mayweather talking about not giving a 50/50 revenue split not offering a cut of the PPV revenue? WTF Floyd is the biggest one trying to stop the fight….I still dont think he really wants the fight even though this is his biggest payday. Just a shame, boxing ifans are the one that takes the KO on this. Think Bradley could beat Pac Man or at least put up a good fight. Chin is a question for Bradley but he has the speed and skill to make for a really good matchup with Pac Man
The 'tourney' is meaningless
The fights are not. Just make the fights and leave out the fluff
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

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