Top Rank Boxing on Spike TV: Tournament Format Being Discussed
Lem Satterfield of The Ring has more on the Top Rank-Spike TV relationship and negotiations, as the boxing promotional firm and the cable channel are discussing something a bit different for a potential 36-week run.
Spike TV spokesperson David Schwarz acknowledge that discussions about bringing boxing to the network have taken place, although he would not say Top Rank Inc. was involved.
"Right now, all that I can say is that we're talking to a lot of people," said Schwarz. "Spike is looking to expand its horizons and we're talking to a lot of different sports organizations."
According to a source familiar with the talks, however, Top Rank Inc. and Spike Television have had discussions about a tournament series, characterizing the conversations as "brainstorming," and adding that "March would be premature" to mention as a starting date.
Obviously if you're looking at something like a tournament format, something similar to what Bellator does in MMA, March 9 would be super early to debut.
I, uh, probably am not as excited about the tournament idea as some of you might be, but it's because boxing has taught me to believe that half the tournaments in this format would probably never really finish. If a guy gets a couple wins and then a matchup he doesn't like, what do I expect: For him to go through with it, or for some mysterious injury to crop up and prevent his further participation?
MMA's athletes are just taught differently, and have a different mindset, and lower-level guys believe in a concept that says if you fight, and you win, then you go on to better things, and if you fight and lose, you can come back from that by proving yourself. Boxers have been conditioned to believe that a loss sends you to purgatory and that it's a long, hard road back from one, especially at the lower levels before TV has gotten into hyping you as The Next Big Thing.
So what's the upside? You get a bunch of third and fourth tier fighters and create another "Contender," basically? I hated "The Contender." Those are the guys who generally believe there's nothing to lose, because in most cases there really is nothing to lose.
I'd simply prefer a regular old boxing show with some good, inexpensive fights like ShoBox or Friday Night Fights or the Main Events series on NBC Sports (fingers crossed). As much as I'd like to believe tournaments are some wave of the future in boxing, I just don't, and it's because the ways of doing business in boxing are so deeply carved into the stone of the business that I don't just expect things to be different because they suddenly decide tournaments are a good idea.
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Bad Left Hook
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There was no “it.” People always add “it.”
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Anyway, the legend of Brawl for All is more myth than anything. Yes it was really stupid, but they honestly lost nothing. Woopty doo, an old and washed-up Dr. Death Steve Williams didn’t get the big push. McMahon was already a little underwhelmed by him after JR brought him in in the first place.
Bad Left Hook
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I was the only person on planet earth that didn’t think it was so bad. I don’t care that none of them were world class fighters, but it was a great way for these “personalities” and stuntmen types to really work in the ring, they were short enough, there were a couple good knockouts and if it were done correctly it could have produced some true badasses to pretend fight…
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I think it’s stupid to ask anyone to do something that they don’t do, and the rules were really fucking dumb. I don’t want to see basketball players do pro wrestling because they suck at it, and I don’t want to see pro wrestlers fight in a ring because they suck at it.
Bad Left Hook
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Like I said, I’m one of the few who liked it.
Most of those guys (or a whole whole bunch) were amateur wrestlers, they can practice a little striking and the scoring could be cleaned up little, but I didn’t mind scoring points on take downs, avoiding submissions and I wouldn’t care to force anyone into this stuff, but a lot of those guys want more TV time.
The difference between your basketball reference and this is that pro wrestling is fake form of a combat sport. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Generals and the Globetrotters playing a real game too now that I think about it.
Well, I’ve been in this conversation before… I know I’m in the minority…
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Most of those guys (or a whole whole bunch) were amateur wrestlers
This, uh…is not correct.
The difference between your basketball reference and this is that pro wrestling is fake form of a combat sport. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Generals and the Globetrotters playing a real game too now that I think about it.
Why not just watch real basketball if you want to see basketball? Watch real fighting if you want real fights. The idea that Brakkus and Henry Godwinn had some need to practice a little striking is pretty bizarre to me. It sounds like you had no desire to watch wrestling but you wanted to watch a bunch of untrained guys fight each other because it was real. There are toughman contests all over.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Not tough man contests with people who I recognize and know from wrestling…
Why watch college sports? Why watch womens sports? The majority of them are not as good as the pros…
The reason I like it is because I knew who Bradshaw was and I knew who the Smoking Guns were and 2 Cold Scorpio ect and here they are really fighting.
I still watch the bowl games despite the fact that the terrible Chiefs or the Peytonless Colts would probably beat the best college teams and most of those guys will be repairing air conditioners afterwards ( a lucrative profession by the way in Southern Nevada, not making fun of that job).
My simple issue is that I knew those guys and it was fun to see them fight and it was cool to see Bart Gunn have some actual punching power despite seeing him get KFO by Butterbean later on.
There are a lot of college players I feel the same way about even if it’s not exactly the same. I’d watch a tournament of my friends fighting under some kind of rule structure too, even though they’re all drunks, I probably wouldn’t watch your friends though because I don’t know them. To some extent I knew Bart Gunn and Bradshaw.
It’s clear that I am crazy, no one liked the idea except me, maybe I was dying for a developed version of mma back then who knows… I don’t know any wrestlers now because I don’t watch wrestling, so I wouldn’t tune in to a 2012 version of Brawl for it All…
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At the time I thought it was neat, I’m not gonna lie, but I mean, it was REALLY stupid to even bother. it did nothing for anyone.
But hey, I feel your reasons with that explanation. That all sounds good to me.
Bad Left Hook
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I wouldn’t have read all that…
That’s what makes you such a good dungeon master… err web master…
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Never doubt my interest in a good Brawl for All debate.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Jan 6, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Was Shamrock in it? Cant remember.
by Shitali Klitschko on Jan 7, 2012 12:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No, he declined because he felt it was stupid.
Bad Left Hook
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And Dan Severn quit midway because officials kept screwing him on points
"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment."
-Lao Tzu
I think he was probably trying to protect his mma career too, usually not good to get knocked out by a “ham and egger” as the Bobby the Brain would say…
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A sloppy, accidental San Shou tournament that didn't know it was a sloppy, accidental San Shou tournament.
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There’s gotta be a way to make the tournament structure work though, it’s the best system to really have a consistent way to see who the best is at any given time. Upsets will happen, but good match-ups are forced to happen?
Maybe give the winner a big enough purse or maybe make them all agree to a penalty if they miss a fight?
I don’t know, I’d really like tournaments if the Dirrells of the world didn’t exist…
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Maybe give the winner a big enough purse or maybe make them all agree to a penalty if they miss a fight?
They’re not going to have that much money for anything they do here, and it’s hard to enforce penalties since injuries are a reality. I mean you’re just asking for some poor bastard who REALLY gets hurt to be forced into a fight then.
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