Bob Arum Thoughts: Mayweather Brings No Business, Pacquiao Will Be Forced to Choose, Guerrero Is Nobody
by Scott Christ on Jan 7, 2012 7:57 AM EST
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Apparently Bob Arum has been reading the nonstop press releases and puff pieces that are backing Robert Guerrero for a May 5 date with Floyd Mayweather Jr, because the veteran promoter didn't learn anything from the last time he was certain Mayweather had found an opponent for the date, when he claimed that Mayweather was set to fight Erik Morales, which turned out to be, you know, false.
He also made perhaps his most bizarre statement to date about his former fighter.
Speaking with Ronnie Nathanielsz, Arum had this to say about a potential fight with Guerrero, and he's also still insisting that the MGM Grand wasn't secure for Mayweather on May 5, even though it is, and was:
In an overseas telephone conversation with BoxingScene.com/Manila Standard, Arum said Mayweather "is apparently going to fight Robert Guerrero. Can you believe that. They won’t do any business at all."
Arum claimed that MGM Grand which Mayweather’s camp had long announced as the venue for the planned May 5 fight even before he was sentenced to a prison term, was "bullshit because MGM didn’t want to give him the date until they found out what Pacquiao was doing. Mayweather brings in no business."
That's right, boxing fans and people who probably aren't but might be reading this anyway: Bob Arum says Floyd Mayweather brings in no business for Las Vegas.
I know Manny Pacquiao brings in more business. I know that. But for God's sake -- does it really need to be so petty that Arum feels he has to make someone out there believe, if he possibly can, that Mayweather has no standing at all, that he's not a huge star?
As for the Robert Guerrero thing -- well, look, they'll do some business. You know. Because Mayweather does SOME business against anyone. Kind of like how Pacquiao does SOME business against anyone, even when nobody asked for the fight, like Josh Clottey or pet rock Margarito, and by the way, if Mayweather fights Guerrero at the MGM Grand, I guarantee he pulls a bigger gate than either of those Cowboys Stadium fights did, which were a genius idea, really, they were.
I mean, goddamn. You try to be fair to both sides and be balanced, and these guys just keep saying things like this, and it ruins the whole attempt.
Then there's the topic of Manny Pacquiao's next fight. Arum is heading over to the Philippines and blah blah blah, you know the deal, the four options for a likely June 9 date are Miguel Cotto, Juan Manuel Marquez, Tim Bradley and Lamont Peterson. Roach wants Peterson, it seems. Others want Marquez. I'm sure someone wants Bradley, somewhere. Cotto is a nice man and we all like him.
But Arum says he doesn't have a favorite. Manny, who is his own boss and makes his own decisions (except when it comes to fighting Floyd Mayweather Jr, that's for Bobarum and Toprank to decide) will be, yes, forced to make up his own mind, because he is an individual and the boss:
Arum said he is "leaning to nobody" adding that he is "going to make Manny choose for himself after I lay everything out."
"I'm gonna lay it out here, you guys. And then I'm going to make him choose. Now I'm not giving any specifics as to how I'll lay it out..." Maybe Arum will make a "yuck!" face after presenting options he doesn't particularly care to pursue.
And of course, Bob says that Manny and Floyd can fight in November, blah blah blah, it's always next time, maybe later, definitely after this one, we'll see, you know, etc.
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One of my favourite things about the ridiculous series of statements Arum has released over the past 24 hours is that he’s already conjured up ways to avoid the fight later in the year. There’s a gem of a quote where he states:
He goes to jail in June, he’ll be out at the end of July or the beginning of August and then we have plenty of time to do a Pacquiao fight in November.
Obviously, the jail sentence is 87 days, so Bob Arum is counting on Floyd Mayweather – Floyd Mayweather – to get out early on good behaviour and work time. When Floyd doesn’t get released early, because good behaviour and work time aren’t really words to consider synonymous with the man, then we’ll hear Bob telling us how there isn’t enough time left in the year, and that Pacquiao will be moving on with one of a “triumvirate of options” (quartet will be exhausted by the summer). Heck, if Mayweather does get released early, we’ll still no doubt here that there isn’t enough time, and you can pretty much bank on that.
I mean, seriously, all this crap about Manny Pacquiao being his own boss is literally just that – crap. Arum dictates to him who he can fight, and if that isn’t true, as certain people on here have suggested, we can then settle on the fact that Manny chooses not to go after Mayweather.
Both sides are pretty unbearable, and continue to be so, but Arum and the Pacquiao team have just become that much more odious over the past day or so.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
not only that, but heaven forbid that Pac’s horrendous, inappropriate-for-tv, potentially career-altering cut opens up again during his next scrap. He might not be able to fight until early 2014.
Did you hear anything directly from Floyd
That would indicate that he wants this fight.
Forget Ellerbe. Forget Golden Boy. Floyd talks for Floyd.
And he has not mad one iota of an effort or initiated anything that even closely resembles negotiations to fight one Manny Pacquiao. He has texted and spoken nicely to duBouf but he has not ever suggested that they sit down and get this tight done.
You cannot make a fight with someone who doesn’t want to make a fight, especially One Floyd Mayweather.
Manny can order Arum. He can demand every effort be made to make the fight with Floyd but he cannot get Floyd to talk to anyone. Or do anything…until the man is good and ready.
Which he obviously is not.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
It seems as though every other post of yours is either defending Manny or attacking Floyd over the fight not being made.
Everybody involved is at fault. I’m sure everybody must understand that by now.
Arum has been just terrible for Manny’s image over the last six months or so, though.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by Jack.Barrington on Jan 8, 2012 6:15 AM EST up reply actions
I only know one side but I know it.
I can only tell/share with you what happens ioccasionally inside TR.
I can definitely tell you that Floyd and duBoef have contact.
But other that when he reached out and said that he and TdB could make the fight without all the other noise, Floyd has not mentioned it and/or asked for ia negotiiation for a Pacquiao fight.
I know the old man, Arum, would like his youngers to go out and make the fight happen but that they have not come near that conversation with Floyd.
I think it’s accrate and fair to a=say that everyone here is complicit either through their action and/or lack therefof.
The one consistency is that whoever and whenever anyone actually speaks out, it is they who sound the poorest.
If Floyd goes public witha statement , he usually sounds poor at best.
When Arum speaks, he so often puts his foot iin hiis mouth, it annoys his own team.
When Ellerbe speaks, it carries so liitle authority, forget it.
Oscar …pleeeeeeez
Schaefer…..the angry scorned banker
Roger…Lord Above
Senior. OMG
Ariza…..STFU
Roach…betterbut less is more
.
Hayman duBoef and Moretti are the three most discreet.
Everyone else is a PR mess in need of maintenance.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
But let me ask you…..as I asked above
Did you hear anything directly and specifically rom Floyd that would indicate that he wants this fight this spring.
Not that he set a date….but that he wants Manny now.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
He said, “Everybody involved is at fault.” That indicates that he also believes Mayweather is at fault. Does this really not add up to you? Can you not agree that Arum and Pacquiao have also done nothing to make this fight a reality?
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
He said other things as well but failed to address my main point.
Floyd is the boss of himself and he has to do something to make the fight before anyone can counter or proceed.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Hate to jump in but....
Are u saying Floyd has more negotiation power than Arum and the TR organization? Thats kinda hard to believe.
I am saying only one thing
Floyd is the only one empowered to talk about Floyd at this moment.
Arum and TR have power with Manny but they cant make him fight someone who in fact does in fact occasionally speak to them (duBoef) but who does not speak about negotiating a fight with Pacquiao.
So yes, when it comes to this fight, unless Floyd empowers someone else to do so, he has the most power here…at this moment…in coming to the table.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I thought you were only saying one thing? That comment featured a lot of one things…
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Jan 9, 2012 3:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m sorry, but that is total rubbish. I thought Manny was also the boss of himself?! After all the spiel you’ve given us over Manny being the boss and Arum doing whatever his client wants, now you tell us that the fight can’t get made because Floyd has so much power that Top Rank can’t negotiate if Floyd doesn’t begin things. Well, as always, you’re passing the buck from one side to the other – surprise surprise! – and you’re not making much sense doing it. Floyd has a whole range of advisers and helpers, from Haymon to Golden Boy, and if TR wanted to make the fight, they’re not held by some vow of silence until Floyd speaks, but can actually – believe it or not – make contact with Floyd’s side! That would be possible! Bob Arum isn’t sitting there, itching to speak to Floyd, cursing his luck that damn, why oh why is Floyd Mayweather his own boss, denying his dreams of picking up the phone and making an offer…
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Jan 9, 2012 3:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They are not chasing a narcissist who has reneged twice before
Doing so has done nothing but get Floyd to be more eveasive or more outrageous in his demands.
Floyd has to told Todd that he does not want anyone but he a nd TdB to make the fight…but when he texts and/or calls to talk, he does not even mention moving forward.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I still maintain my position that I will not comment on these matters involving Bob Arum… it’s not easy though.
"He's still a very strong fighter, but I am way better than he is" - Miguel Cotto
His new name is Boba Rum, since he’s more of a Star Wars character to me now than a boxing promoter…
Perhaps you can comment on Boba Rum?
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Bobby really needs to spend a few quid employing someone to go through his statements before he makes them. Otherwise i fear people might possbily start to think he talks out his arse
by whypunchrabbits? on Jan 7, 2012 10:59 AM EST reply actions
It’s to the point now where whenever I see Arum, Pac, or Mayweather’s name, I just skip reading and move on. It has worn thin and become worse than stale. It’s as flat as a flapjack. The interest has waned.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant."
-- Vernon Forrest (1971-2009)
At the risk of pushback, it;s bile inducing.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant."
-- Vernon Forrest (1971-2009)
mayweather has brought in business when fighting guys with a proven track record of bringing in business. Hatton/DLH etc. how did the last fight do at the gate that mayweather fought?
yeah, thought so.
Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.
by theworldsoldestsport on Jan 8, 2012 1:59 PM EST reply actions
how did the last fight do at the gate that mayweather fought?
Better than Pacquiao vs Mosley at the same building four months prior. Oh and by the way, Mayweather’s gate with Mosley blew Pacquiao’s out of the water. Both of them had (by far) their biggest live gate against Oscar De La Hoya.
“Yeah, thought so” indeed.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Also, what proven track record of bringing in business did Ricky Hatton have? He’d only fought in Vegas twice before that, against Jose Luis Castillo and Juan Urango, and they weren’t exactly “events,” and neither were at one of the marquee Vegas venues.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
They both make money in Vegas
They are the two biggest draws.
The opponents of course do matter as does the time in which the fought.
Floyd made a bigger live gate dollar figure facing Mosely than Manny did v Mosely. Manny made a far higher figure vs. Marquez.
Etc Etc
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
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