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Mayweather vs Cotto: Floyd Sizes Up Cotto, Dismisses Pacquiao

Floyd Mayweather is ready to go against Miguel Cotto on May 5. (Photo by Jeff Bottari/Getty Images)

Floyd Mayweather Jr is going full steam ahead with his May 5 fight against Miguel Cotto, and spoke with media immediately following the announcement today in Nevada.

"I think Miguel Cotto is a hell of a fighter, a strong solid 154-pounder. Pacquiao was trying to fight him at 147. I would never want to put a fighter in a position where he's not comfortable. I want a guy when he's at his best. If he's at his best at 154 and he's strong and he's solid, then that's the fight we're fighting at. I walk around at 150, but the end of the day - skills pays the bills."

Mayweather notes that he also fought De La Hoya at 154 pounds, and that Pacquiao fought Cotto and De La Hoya at catchweights. This is only kind of true, and unfortunately the De La Hoya comparison comes back pretty easily to bite Floyd in the ass if you bother to think much about it, and I think about a lot of meaningless stuff, so let's lay that out.

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De La Hoya and Pacquiao fought with a 147-pound limit in December 2008. This happened because Pacquiao had been fighting at 130 and had one fight at 135 before taking that fight. De La Hoya had not made the welterweight limit since 2001.

147 is not a catchweight. It's just the welterweight division's limit. De La Hoya came down in weight to face Pacquiao, but had also come down in weight to a 150-pound catchweight against Steve Forbes in May 2008.

Why was De La Hoya coming down in weight? Because he was booking a big 147-pound fight for himself ... against Floyd Mayweather. Mayweather pulled out, had one of his fake retirements, and De La Hoya sought out Pacquiao. That De La Hoya boiled himself all the way down to 145 was a mistake in training and conditioning, not an actual catchweight. People were stunned when Oscar came in at 145.

Pacquiao fought Oscar because Floyd bailed on the fight and "retired." Floyd can take some credit in helping make Manny a star in that respect, I guess, but it's because Floyd chose not to fight.

As for the other thing, look, Pacquiao has fought exactly two catchweight fights: Cotto at 145 and Margarito at 150. After the 150 experiment he said he wouldn't go north of 147 anymore. So his stance that Cotto had to come back to 147 to fight him in June wasn't a surprise. The only mild surprise is that Cotto said no and meant it, so he moved on.

Note: This is inaccurate, as of course Pacquiao-Marquez III was a catchweight (144) fight, but the difference there is it was Pacquiao going down, not the other guy. I should have noted that originally.

Mayweather will probably come in close to 150 for the Cotto fight, same as he did for De La Hoya in 2007.

On Mayweather-Pacquiao not happening yet again, since this seems to have come as a shock to some today, Mayweather offered this:

"Pacquiao is blowing a lot of smoke up everybody's ass. He doesn’t really want to fight. I tried to get him to step up to the plate. We're talking about a $10 million dollar fighter that I tried to give $40 million dollars to, and we didn't even talk about the backend. Everything that everybody is hearing is a bunch of lies. I got proof."

If Mayweather's proof are the Nevada State Athletic Commission sheets, then I have proof, too, and the "shocking revelation" that Pacquiao isn't paid a pure $20 million purse isn't really all that shocking. There's also no evidence telling me that Mayweather made $40 million for the Ortiz fight last September, which was the claim at the time. His purse was $25 million on the Nevada sheet. A lot more than the $6M or $7M Pacquiao has listed on those sheets, but then no one is claiming that Pacquiao makes as much per fight as Floyd does.

Mayweather believes Miguel Cotto will make more on May 5 than he has for any fight to date. That's not just possible, it's probable, since the only time Cotto has been involved in a million-plus pay-per-view seller was against Manny Pacquiao. And while Mayweather vs Cotto might be a few years later than most wanted, so was Mayweather vs Mosley. Mosley had a fairly hot name going in and the fight sold. Cotto is, as we've said before, pretty much boxing's hottest property right now given that he just had Mayweather and Top Rank fighting to lock him in for a bout. Turns out that Bob Arum's claim that Cotto negotiating with Mayweather is a "waste of time" wasn't quite true.

The fight's on. Now we wait to see what Manny does (likely Timothy Bradley) and what Arum has to say about all of this, because no matter how you slice it, having Cotto fight Mayweather has to sting him. Arum has promoted Miguel Cotto since he turned pro.

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Most of what Floyd says is exactly the same as his fans

Is that a coincidence or what? Or is it the other way around? I wonder if he reads internet forums, all the things he says about Pac come from Pac detractors.

by dasilversurfer on Feb 1, 2012 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

still waiting for bob and what he has to say..fact of the matter is..tr only had pac under 150 and chavez at mw to offer cotto in terms of big money fights..while miguel still is a tiny junior mw, at this age and with the treat on his tires, he may not be able to make 147 anymore..and to go up to 160 would have been suicide imo..i think chavez would be too big and walk through cottos shots..with gb..he has this fight and possibly a canelo on the backburner..two big paydays at im guessing a more comfortable weigt for him..

by Vicmatic1 on Feb 1, 2012 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

If Miguel Cotto says he can’t make 147 anymore, I believe him.

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by Scott Christ on Feb 1, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

He says he can't. If he could he would.

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Feb 1, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

good breakdown vic
this scenario makes sense for cotto. at least two big paydays. mayweather. then if he loses, canelo.

by jake_ash on Feb 1, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Lets be honest

Half the stuff that comes out of Mayweather’s mouth is bullshit. Why would that change

Good fight still. Can’t wait for Manny Bradley though. I can sense an upset in that one

by Sweet science on Feb 1, 2012 5:03 PM EST reply actions  

It will be Manny Bradley

Cotto will fight this time in a co-promotion with his company and GB. Most likely a one time event without any long term commitment. Clearly, there will be a re-match clause should he beat Floyd, which I personally doubt.

TR will not announce anything until after the Chavez fight which in their minds is a ’let’s wait and see’ matchup with Rubio. Whatever doubts we have about JCC, you can be certain they do as well.

Manny walks around near 144 and so his fight with Bradley should tell us everything we might want to know about both men; the younger up and coming Bradley and the aging but still dynamic Pacquiao.

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Feb 1, 2012 5:24 PM EST reply actions  

When Cotto said he would not be renewing his contract with Bob Arum, I immediately thought that this was the fight he wanted to make. But then, when he said he would continue working with TR, I thought things would be “business as usual”. Cotto has always been my favourite fighter and I really like that he’s done almost everything I thought he should do. Before he lost to Margarito, I always thought he should go up and get a championship at a third weight class. Then, I thought he needed a new trainer. He messed up by hiring Joe Santiago, but he fixed that rather quickly. Also, I thought he needed to leave Top Rank after they defended Margarito so vigorously and I was dissapointed when he renewed his contract, but now he has done it. It’s not often that one gets the sense of satisfaction as a fan. I am a happy fan today.

by Apprentice on Feb 1, 2012 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

I am too. I hope Cotto gets a big pay day out of this.

by Manuwar on Feb 1, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Feb 1, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Miguel is what is right about boxing. I wish him nothing but the very best. He has earned it.

I do not think he has the tools….at this stage of his career….to beat Floyd, even at this stage in his.

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Feb 1, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, I don’t either. I’m kinda looking forward to the fight just because it’s the biggest possible fight for him, but I’m also looking at it with a kind of defeatist attitude.

by Apprentice on Feb 1, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Miguel never really could stop a lead right hand and at this weight and this stage of his career, I don’t know if he has the stamina to fight the pressure fight that could conceivably change the dynamic against Floyd.

FM will ‘pot-shot’ his way to an relatively easy margin. Me thinks.

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Feb 1, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably

But it’s nice to see the best fighting the best anyway. Consider he was floating Robert Guerrero a month ago, and the fact he actually fighting Coto is stunning.

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by Brickhaus on Feb 1, 2012 7:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I love Miguel but this is hardly the best Cotto. It is late good Cotto. Not the best.

Otherwise, I get your point.

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Feb 1, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: proof

I don’t think he’s talking about the NSAC sheets per se (though it could be part of it), I think he’s talking more about what types of discussions and offers were and were not had between the two teams. Sounds like he’s referring more to the $40 million offer with no other share of the revenue he’s disputing.

I’m glad Mayweather bailed on an Oscar rematch. Nobody wanted to see that shit anyway. As far as I’m concerned he did us all a favor.

I’m looking forward to this fight. I would have loved to see it around the time Cotto beat Judah and Mosley, but you can’t always get what you want. I still think this will be a good fight.

"Boxing is like dealing with a ho"
-Bernard Hopkins

by erod on Feb 1, 2012 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

SNIPER vs SNIPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A firestorm to purify.

by RyanSexton on Feb 1, 2012 5:28 PM EST reply actions  

He just wants to fight the best Miguel Cotto that there is,

like the time he came in above the agreed weight to fight the best Marquez that there was. Still, i like this fight. No way Miguel can box his measured fights of late against Floyd for 12 rounds but I think the first six rounds will be competitive and even slightly interesting if he can maintain his distance. After that, I envisage much pivoting, rolling and straight right’s on the part of Floyd all night.

by abcdefghijklost on Feb 1, 2012 5:30 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah Mayweather claiming he has basically fought everyone at their best weight made me laugh. He came in two pounds over the limit for Marquez, and clearly never planned on making it. Hatton came up to fight him, and even old Sharmba Mitchell fought him at 147. That said, I am happy he didn’t insist on a catchweight for this fight.

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by Kory Kitchen on Feb 1, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Incidentally,

just looked on boxrec, Floyd has an insane reach advantage over Cotto, meaning Cotto will have to stalk more like the Cotto of old, or a little more, considering Floyd will likely stand his ground, actually. Do people see Mayweather continuing with the standing more straight-on thing he’s been doing of late, or moving a little more?

by abcdefghijklost on Feb 1, 2012 5:33 PM EST reply actions  

I think if he could move like he used to, he would.

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by Scott Christ on Feb 1, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Serious?
I keep hearing stuff about his his inability to move like he used to.

I wonder if that’s true. Very interesting.

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by VeeisAnimated on Feb 2, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

The fight that should be made.

While everyone keeps talking about Mayweather v. Pac and now Mayweather v Cotto, there is one fighter out there that is getting the short end of the stick in this. That fighter is Sergio Martinez. He appears to be the most ducked fighter at this point. I know that he has gone to 160lbs but I am sure that he could make 154lbs yet nobody calls him out. Why is that, are they afraid? The big names like pac, mayweather and cotto claim that Martinez does not have a big enough fan base. All he has done is win (The first Williams decision was garbage and the Cintron draw was criminal) Nobody else fights him and those that do get dismantled. He is the one that shoud be angry right now and should be calling for blood. While I like the mayweather/cotto matchup and like the idea of pac v. bradley, it is criminal that Martinez is left to wait for scraps. Anyone interested in talking all sports hit me up at murrayknowsbest.wordpress.com

by murrayknowsbest on Feb 1, 2012 7:20 PM EST reply actions  

I feel sorry for Sergio Martinez but unfortunately for him.

  • He doesn’t have a name.
  • He’s too big – so says Roach & Arum
  • And he doesn’t have a name.

I believe there are more reasons why he’s not getting major fights. Martinez is desperate for a big payday.

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" If you don't like seeing dead animals please stop following me." - Matt Hughes (45-9)
"When I watched it, it's like I became a fan of myself, too" - Frankie Edgar on UFC 136
"I actually held public office and I left the only way a politician should, in handcuffs" - Chael Sonnen
"but if there's anyone who wants to finish fights it's me." - GSP

by VeeisAnimated on Feb 2, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Martinez

Any real fan knows who Martinez is. The fact that he supposedly does not have a name is due to the fact that the cable execs and promoters recycle the same low rate group of washed up has beens. How else do you explain, Judah being given a shot at Khan after a questionable at best win against Lucas Mattysse. There were plenty of other fighters that should have been given that spot but once you supposedly have a name (Judah has not been good let along great in 5 years), the execs pencil you in. This is the main reason that while I love boxing and will continue to support it, I have shifted some of my attention toward MMA. This type of nonsense is not nearly as prevalent in mixed martial arts.

by murrayknowsbest on Feb 3, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

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