Canelo Alvarez's Next Fight: Mayweather vs Cotto Undercard, Mosley Strongly Rumored
by Scott Christ on Feb 1, 2012 9:19 PM EST
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Canelo Alvarez will be back in the ring on May 5, according to promoter Oscar De La Hoya, who took to Twitter for one of his empty, pointless polling-the-fanbase things where he pretends he cares what anyone really wants to see. The fight will be part of the Mayweather vs Cotto show, either in Las Vegas or a split site in Los Angeles or another location, as the did last September on the Mayweather vs Ortiz card.
Alvarez (39-0-1, 29 KO) is coming off of a predictably easy TKO win over former welterweight contender Kermit Cintron in November, and right now the rumor winds blowing suggest strongly that another badly faded former welterweight standout, Shane Mosley, will be getting the next crack at the 21-year-old Mexican superstar.
Mosley recently said that Golden Boy has reached out about a fight against Alvarez. Mosley, 40, is currently a free agent, having left Golden Boy last year to fight Manny Pacquiao in May.
As Mosley (46-7-1, 39 KO) hasn't won a fight in three years and hasn't looked remotely good in his 0-2-1 stretch since then, this would be a really transparent and lousy fight, but unfortunately it will probably have enough people thinking it's good that it won't be totally dumped on by everybody, although it would deserve that.
Some thought that Cintron, himself years removed from his last good performance, and having recently been dominated by Carlos Molina before a listless win over Antwone Smith, would be a good and difficult fight for Alvarez. He wasn't. Perhaps the same group will assume Mosley in his twilight years would be that difficult veteran supposedly awaiting Alvarez, who can't be convinced to box anyone within his age group, it would appear.
De La Hoya says he has lots of options, but let's be real: The clear front-runner is this miserable, shot version of Shane Mosley whose run-away (not runaway) performance against Pacquiao was booed by the live audience and intensely criticized as a PPV ripoff by the TV audience.
There are a lot of good fights out there for Alvarez. Don't expect one to happen on May 5, though.
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When will Mosley just disappear?
"Winning is Everything"
Failure is not an Option
If you're not first, you're last
Am I alone in thinking
that Mosley’s asking price for a fight like this will be way too much for it to actually happen?
After Mosley's last performance he should be getting paid peanuts, literally
"Winning is Everything"
Failure is not an Option
If you're not first, you're last
Here’s hoping!
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I doubt it.
A payday is a payday at this point.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 1, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Keep an eye on Canelo
He has very few fights left with GBP.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Just watch Canelo
Manny has but a few fights left.
Canelo a whole future.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
So true… Doesn’t mean he has to end up leaving GBP right now. Anything can happen in the up coming years.
Didnt say he would but keep watching. Change is a comin’
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
It can, but I know that Brick and I have both figured that Golden Boy is going to have a hard time keeping a handle on this kid. It’s nothing to do with GBP and everything to do with Canelo, who as I’ve said before, I believe is abnormally smart about the business side of things. He has real people promoting fights under a real promotional banner in Mexico already. No reason he can’t have them promote him and cut GBP out of the mix. I get the feeling he’s sort of used GBP to get his name value up in the States, and they’ve done that. HBO obviously loves Canelo. They won’t stop buying his fights if he’s by himself.
I don’t think he’d go to Top Rank or any other promoter. My feeling is he’s going to go his own way when his contract is up, or stay with Golden Boy. He’s a savvy young man and the people around him seem pretty sharp, too.
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by Scott Christ on Feb 2, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
No it isn’t.
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by Scott Christ on Feb 1, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on how you look at it.
I agree the fight stinks. I’m not interested, and I can think of a half dozen people right away who I would rather watch Canelo fight. But to the casual fan, the name Mosley still carries some weight, and Canelo fighting anyone will draw in quite a few fans. From a star power and marketing perspective, it’s indeed pretty solid.
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Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
But to the casual fan, the name Mosley still carries some weight
People keep saying this but all I remember is The Casual Fan booing Mosley’s horrible running away from Pacquiao and complaining that the money they spent on that fight was bullshit.
It’s Bradley-Casamayor but people like Shane Mosley more than they like Joel Casamayor so some want to pretend he might still have it. He’s Roy Jones all over again.
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by Scott Christ on Feb 1, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Also, we’ve long since established that the undercard doesn’t matter for sales. Canelo Alvarez vs Alfonso Gomez rematch would have as much impact on this show’s sales as Canelo Alvarez vs Shane Mosley will. Canelo could fight anyone. Why not someone like Delvin Rodriguez, who’s good and cheap and has a pulse?
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by Scott Christ on Feb 1, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a pretty good idea. Delvin would make a nice fight. Or what about Kirkland?
by RRod806 on Feb 1, 2012 11:09 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Kirkland’s fighting on 3/24 and Golden Boy could have made that fight by now if they wanted it. They don’t.
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by Scott Christ on Feb 1, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Rodriguez would be a very good fight. However I suspect that he looked a little ‘too good’ against Wolak in the rematch. I would guess he ends up fighting Lara in one of those ‘at least we can get rid of the loser as a potential tricky opponent for Canelo or Kirkland’ match up on HBO.
How many times does Mosley have to be terrible before people stop with the ‘well to the casual fan Mosley is a huge name.’ Mosley had one good round in 24 rounds against Mayweather and Pacquiao. His last victory was against Margarito who had just been caught cheating in the locker room and was clearly not mentally focused. He looked terrible against Mora too, and frankly a bit past it in a fight against Mayorga three and a half years ago.
The whole situation is beyond transparent, though the fact that some people treat the Cintron win as meaning anything is just a bit pathetic. Alvarez is a good fighter with great potential but I really hope that he moves on to fight legitimate guys in the division, though I’d bet he targets someone like Paul Williams next…
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
we’ve long since established that the undercard doesn’t matter for sales.
In some cases it might. There are some fans who would buy this—or who would be nudged over the edge in what would have been a maybe—just because Canelo is on the card. He’s already huge. You don’t think Canelo’s name will sell some extra buys with the Mexican and Mexican American fanbases?
Plus undercards do count for exposure, and that’s a big part of the reason he’s here. Highlight real footage of Canelo socking Mosley is not a bad thing to have for future promotions. And his name will look better on Canelo’s pedigree in the distant future. The win can be tossed around more as people forget how shot Mosley was.
Why not someone like Delvin Rodriguez
In short because only hardcore fans have heard of him, though I’d much rather see that fight personally.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
In some cases it might.
Maybe if you conditioned audiences to believe the undercards matter, but they don’t think that they do.
There are some fans who would buy this—or who would be nudged over the edge in what would have been a maybe—just because Canelo is on the card. He’s already huge. You don’t think Canelo’s name will sell some extra buys with the Mexican and Mexican American fanbases?
Not really, no. There was no evidence that he helped the buyrate for the Ortiz card, didn’t bring in any significant buys for Mosley-Mora (sold some of the LA gate, though).
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i was at shane's fight with pacquiao and booed vociferously
however, this is gonna be a way better matchup and fight than bradley-casamayor
what everyone said about his last performance can’t sit well with shane
People said he looked like crap against Mora and Mayweather outside of round two, and it didn’t change a thing.
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by Kory Kitchen on Feb 2, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Who cares how it sits with him? He physically cannot perform anymore. I bet what people say about Roy Jones doesn’t sit well with him either, but it doesn’t change anything.
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to me theres a difference
roy has been brutally ko’ed now how many times… tarver, johnson, the calzaghe beatdown, danny green, lebedev
i don’t see how floyd, mora, and pacman were good matchups for this ancient version of shane anyway… he’s gonna look a lot better against someone thats still pretty raw and gets hit a lot like canelo
i guess we’re gonna find out who’s right
Sergio Mora lost his next fight to Brian Vera. How about Ricardo Mayorga? Shouldn’t that have been a matchup where Mosley could look good? He didn’t. Everyone figuring maybe Mosley has “one more” left in him, wake up. He had it already against Margarito.
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Robert Guerrero on twitter
Saying him and Victor Ortiz should get it on winner fights Floyd sounds like a good match up two Mexican warriors would be great as co-main event to help sell the ppv
by 49erEmpire on Feb 1, 2012 10:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I have mixed feelings. I appreciate his desire to go against the best. That’s what I want out of fighters and I feel weird dogging him for daring to be that guy. But dude…just fight someone. Guerrero was a $125,000 fighter his last time out. He’s trying to become a $2-5 million fighter right off now.
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by Scott Christ on Feb 1, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Also he is not even close to being the best fighter in his division. Also his division is absolutely awesome right now, Guerrero should concentrate on the lightweight division for the moment.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
Who would he fight at 135? I have no issue with him going up to 140 or 147. If he’s willing to risk fighting Ortiz, I can’t really slam him for that. But he seems to be limiting himself to fights that are the absolute high-end of what he could possibly land. He really needs to just get back in the ring.
I’d still like to see him fight Amir Khan. That’s what I wanted to see in July.
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Khan, Burns, Linares, Mitchell, Matthysse, Morales-Garcia winner, Vazquez…
I’m trying to leave out the TR fighters but there are so many possible fights at both 135 and 140 there is no reason to be going up to 147. Could you say for certain that Guerrero would beat all of these guys with ease?
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If he wants to go to 147, why try and stop him? “No, Robert! Don’t you see!” He also can’t make any of those guys fight him, and I guarantee that Burns, Mitchell, Erik Morales, Miguel Vazquez aren’t itching to fight Robert Guerrero, or that their promoters aren’t itching to put them with him. Matthysse is worth no money. GBP and Roach still want to get Linares maxed and Robert Guerrero isn’t going to help them do that. So that leaves Khan, which would probably happen at 147 or a catchweight between there and 140.
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mexican-american as they were both born in the USA
a true Mexican warrior would be JMM, Angulo, Canelo, Chavez jr as they were born and raised in Mexico.
by el javi on Feb 2, 2012 12:13 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
What happens if Mosley turns back the clock, and does a Margarito on his arse Scott? What would you say then. Just humour me here.
this
Everyone involved in making the fight will have deserved it, because they sure as hell wouldn’t be booking it to be competitive, just to sacrifice Splenda Shane to THE FUTURE, which won’t really do anything for Canelo in the ring, where eventually it’s going to have to matter, just further fluff his ego and name value, so that it can come crashing down as hard and fast as possible when eventually he fights someone who isn’t an easy out. I was disgusted by people buying into Canelo-Cintron (also booked as the easy win that it was) and this is even worse.
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by Scott Christ on Feb 1, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
This is a bad, bad idea
A shot Mosley will face Canelo at 154? It’s a horrible idea.
Yeah, we have to get the Latino audience involved.
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