Canelo Alvarez vs Shane Mosley: Fight Is Done Deal for May 5, Mayweather vs Cotto Undercard
by Scott Christ on Feb 10, 2012 10:29 PM EST
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Confirming great fears from many boxing fans and totally thwarting their defense that Golden Boy makes only the best fights, Oscar De La Hoya tweets tonight that a May 5 fight between Canelo Alvarez and Shane Mosley is a done deal, and will be featured on the Mayweather vs Cotto undercard.
Alvarez (39-0-1, 29 KO) is the 21-year-old WBC junior middleweight titlist, and coming off of an easy breakdown of Kermit Cintron, who like Mosley is well past his best, and made for a predictable TKO loss.
But unlike Cintron, Mosley (46-7-1, 39 KO) is 40 years old, doesn't look good in the ring or sound good outside of it, and even though boxing fans and too many in the media have very short memories, the fact is he's been absolutely awful for his last three fights, and hasn't won in over three years now.
Mosley was last seen in May 2011, of course, losing a stinker of a fight to Manny Pacquiao, a fight that was largely rejected by boxing fans when it was signed. The next morning, I said this about Mosley:
It pains me to "trash" Shane Mosley, but we have to be honest about who he is. If anyone ever tries to sell you another Shane Mosley fight with the speed that we know he doesn't have and the trigger we know he can't pull, hey, watch it if you want to, but expect nothing.
That fight followed Mosley's lousy performance against a mediocre Sergio Mora in September 2010, and Mosley's one-sided loss to Floyd Mayweather Jr in May 2010. Even if you want to focus on Mosley rocking Mayweather in round two, that was not the story of the fight. The story of the fight came in the next ten rounds, when Mosley was completely lost in the ring against Mayweather, and couldn't do anything.
And because he mauled a punchless Antonio Margarito in January 2009 -- three years ago -- it's easy to forget that Mosley was not impressive against Ricardo Mayorga in his fight before that one, giving away rounds because he couldn't seem to keep focus in the corner. In many rounds, he seemed totally absent.
This is a lousy fight. If you think it's going to be competitive, remember that and remind me on May 6. Because I will guarantee this amounts to a young fighter beating whatever little bit is left out of a fighter who has shown that he's long past it. If you're waiting for Mosley's "one more run," I guess you're waiting for Roy Jones' run, or James Toney's run, or Nate Campbell's run. Mosley had his "one more" -- it was the Margarito fight. Three years ago.
Unfortunately, we'll have to sit through Mosley once again showing us a shadow of the fighter who people remember, and still want to believe exists.
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Shane has done a great job so far making money from a career fought years ago. The problem (besides boredom and ire) in his fighting is that he is going to get hurt the longer he keeps adding his name to other’s resume.
Unless he pulls another ‘shun and run’ the way he did after Pacquaio his him.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I think I hear Charles Barkley say “this is terrible”
by RRod806 on Feb 10, 2012 10:41 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
This will get Canelo more well known
From the casual boxing fans who only know fighters by name rather than recent performances
However I agree it’s terrible for us real boxing fans
by 49erEmpire on Feb 10, 2012 10:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
By paying him a lot more money than they’d have spent to book someone who actually has a prayer.
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by Scott Christ on Feb 10, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
How much can Mosley really command? I’m sure Rodriguez or Rosada would have come cheaper, but Mosley can’t exactly demand much at this point can he?
Mosley can demand some because he is still a decent name redardless, and they don’t want Canelo to lose anyways so they pay a big-name veteran to get the fight more appeal to casual fans.
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by Kory Kitchen on Feb 10, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Probably make less fighting another prospect or rematch Cotto after he loses to Mayweather.
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by Kory Kitchen on Feb 10, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Oscar De La Hoya is bad for boxing
There I said it.
Another useless matchup that can only danger Shane’s long-term health just to prop up an already top contender. Insulting for Canelo to even fight a completely shot Shane Mosley.
Read my tweets or whatever - @SSReporters
Oscar De La Hoya is bad for boxing
Come on now. Oscar is great for Boxing. Always has been.
by Eugene Banks on Feb 10, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure if serious.
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by SSreporters on Feb 11, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
And for what it's worth
I give Canelo greater than 50% chance of being the first man to KO Mosley.
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So how do you have the other 50%? Mosley retreating?
by RRod806 on Feb 10, 2012 11:22 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
The less than 50% is basically Mosley taking an old man beatdown for 12 rounds
But bravely hanging on.
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by SSreporters on Feb 11, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
ODLH only ever seems good as a promoter because he’s not Bob Arum. But the two of them are to blame for the inability to make fights with other promoters, and GB just seems to be getting good publicity off of Top Rank’s misfortunes.
A firestorm to purify.
What you think would be the state of boxing today if Golden Boy didn’t exist? Good or bad?
by Eugene Banks on Feb 10, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
The Great Shane Mosley reduced to an undercard… sad day…
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Sad day for the paying customer.
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by Kory Kitchen on Feb 10, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Mosely and Winky are stepping stones? Sad..
Do they really believe they have a shot to pull an upset?
"The tempt for greatness is the biggest drug in the world."
—Mike Tyson
by honorablecbm on Feb 10, 2012 11:39 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
who, the promoters or the fighters?
Winky’s kinda nuts so he might think he can win. And fuck, maybe he can. Quillin’s had no real tests. Mosley is a mess though.
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by Scott Christ on Feb 10, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Might as well bring in a heavy bag
Or a mechanical bull.
Quillin in particular needs a real fight. The kid already has a great name. He needs step up fights but NOT SSM
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I can’t be hard on Mosley, no matter how much this part of his “career” sucks, he’s given way too much to the boxing fans over the years to not be given the benefit of the doubt (forgiveness and tolerance). That’s me!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I love Shane Mosley. I also liked Ken Griffey. I wouldn’t have wanted him in the starting lineup for my favorite team in his last few years either. I forgive him and I’m tolerant of him. I still don’t want to watch his increasingly shitty fights.
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by Scott Christ on Feb 10, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
<blockquoteThe Great Shane Mosley reduced to an undercard… sad day…
Honestly, after his last couple of efforts, he should be thankful.
I honestly think he should be on ESPN or at some small casino untelevised.
"Winning is Everything"
Failure is not an Option
If you're not first, you're last
I think he should be at home, reveling in his excellent career, happy with what he accomplished.
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by Scott Christ on Feb 11, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He missed the course on
Money Management 101
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Correction
Most athletes
Correction:
Most people
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
by pakinpower on Feb 11, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think he should be at home, reveling in his excellent career, happy with what he accomplished
Yeah, just imagine if he would’ve retired after the Margarito fight how much differently he would be remembered.
Imagine if Holyfield retired after the Tyson fights.
Imagine if Roy Jones retired after the first Tarver fight.
Imagine if Jerry Rice retired a 49er in the 90’s
If Randy Moss retired after that 2007 year with the Pats.
Lennox Lewis did it right. He didn’t hang around too long and embarrass himself. He retired on top.
"Winning is Everything"
Failure is not an Option
If you're not first, you're last
And yet there are still doubts for some people
Since Lewis (supposedly) didn’t ‘beat’ Vitali, or if he did, he didn’t do it ‘convincingly enough’.
Strangely, taking on Vitali seems to actually have hurt his legacy. If he’d retired right after the Tyson fight, I’m not sure there would have been any doubt whatsoever that he went out on top. Taking on another challenge, and winning, has hurt Lennox a bit, which is unusual.
Beting Tyson was perfunctory
and hardly unexpected.
Lewis was dominant but vulnerable. Explosive and tentative. A complicated legacy IMO
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I disagree with the Vitali hurt Lewis’s legacy. An old, out of shape, Lewis, who was always thought to be chinny, went toe-to-toe with a prime Vitali Klitschko, slugging it out in probably the last really good high-profile heavyweight title fight. I think that its a far better end that finishing on the Tyson fight. Then Lewis’ detractors would just say ‘he beat an old Holyfield, an old Tyson and an Oliver McCall that had an emotional breakdown in the ring’. Detractors can find a way of making any great fighter’s career seem unimpressive. Lewis was damned whatever he did.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Feb 11, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
I do believe Lewis should've gave Vitali a rematch
I dont think it hurt his legacy though. It wasn’t like the fight was controversial or he was losing or something.
"Winning is Everything"
Failure is not an Option
If you're not first, you're last
I would have liked to have seen a rematch as it was a really good fight. The way that Lewis kind of gave the impression that he was going to do the rematch initially did make his retirement announcement a bit of a let down.
That said I do think that Lewis was already starting to slip and was getting older, and was starting to lose interest in fighting in general. It was probably the right decision to retire at the point he did, rematch or not. I am biased though, Lewis is one of the few boxers I absolutely definitely rooted for in every fight.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Feb 11, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I he actually was on an ESPN ppv undercard several years ago, believe it or not.
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by Kory Kitchen on Feb 11, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Ha! Someone still remembers their ill-fated ESPN PPV card
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by SSreporters on Feb 11, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
Kinda makes me want to boycott the card if I’m hoenst. This is a terrible matchup for the undercard.
Infortunately, individul boycotts are pretty useless. But NOT watching the undercard is pretty common.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
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I will root and cringe for Shane at the same time.
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by Kory Kitchen on Feb 10, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
For the record, just like any fight of this sort, I really really really really really hope Mosley wins. It’s what everyone deserves. I’ll throw a goddamn party if he beats Canelo on May 5.
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And then he jumps back to Arum just to make Oscar mad.
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by Kory Kitchen on Feb 11, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
lol
I doubt anyone is losing much sleep without Shane under contract.
Seriously, I really hope he does not get put to sleep.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I’d laugh. They could book him against Chavez at 160, Mosley going for division title #4
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by Scott Christ on Feb 11, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
I sure hope he doesn’t; it would be a disaster if he did.
It would depend on how it might happen, but I suspect that Mosley has no chance beyond a knockout, because he has no shot at outboxing Alvarez for that many rounds.
So, suppose Mosley does in fact KO Alvarez; where does that leave him? An old man, losing his faculties, with a win (after several terrible years) against someone whose reputation has been built more on promoters than record (I was so tempted to use the alliterative “promoters and prowess,” but that was cheap).
I think that a relatively gentle technical defeat is the best outcome.
Boy, I just hope he doesn't stink up the joint like last time
I wonder if they’ll put some type of clause in the contract saying that he has to atleast LOOK like he’s trying to compete.
"Winning is Everything"
Failure is not an Option
If you're not first, you're last
They don’t care what he does so long as he doesn’t win. He’s there to lose. If he stinks it out they’ll just take a dump on him and move on. They’ll apologize, maybe — FOR THE FANS
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by Scott Christ on Feb 11, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Got that right
He’s there to lose.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
He’s there to lose.
Never thought I would ever hear this about a first ballad HOFamer
"Winning is Everything"
Failure is not an Option
If you're not first, you're last
I’m happy to see everyone show their concern for Shane’s future, but in my opinion, it’s too late for him.
Listen to him slur his way through 24/7as well as the Showtime production… it’s just bad.
The saddest part is I can’t even root for him anymore, because if he does win he’ll keep on fighting. I just want this to go away.
They are probably going to play up the fact that he has never officially lost to a Mexican fighter before. Ugh. I feel sick.
Kids… that is why you got to pick the right chick, get a pre nup, or never get a divorce… because then you end up doing shit like this.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
I was considering buying this card, but I don’t want to sponsor the beatdown of an old man… Golden Boy should’ve just given Robert Guerrero the chance he wanted against Canelo hahahaha Try jumping from 135 to 154 and if you beat Canelo THEN you will definitely deserve a chance at Floyd, just for the jump =)
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