Dereck Chisora vs David Haye: Exciting But an Embarrassment to British Boxing
by Thomas Hill on Feb 19, 2012 7:00 AM EST
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After another long night watching the boxing yesterday, I called it a night pretty impressed with Dereck Chisora's performance, yet less than 12 hours later I've awoken to a story which should make most boxing fans cringe.
Through the night we covered the unfolding story of David Haye and Dereck Chisora going to war at the post-fight press conference. This morning I've had time to take it all in and read all of the thoughts of the readers here at Bad Left Hook.
Before I ramble on about the disgraceful behaviour of all parties, I'd to make a point about the performance of Chisora. Despite having little experience and very little practice against the world elite he did himself proud. He never gave in and constantly came forward. Yes he got beat and deservedly so, but at least he stood there and basically said, "Let's have it." I'd much rather see people like Chisora than the likes of Samuel Peter, Tomasz Adamek and Shannon Briggs.
As for the aftermath, pre-fight and anything not in the ring, well that's a totally different ball game.
Dereck Chisora's antics outside the ring overshadow his efforts in the ring. In six months time what are the general public going to remember? That lad from Finckley who did himself proud against a world champion? Or a mad man threatening to shoot people? We know the answer there.
I didn't want to look at the past problems these two have had, but how can I not, as it adds to the argument that these two clearly have issues. In the past Chisora has kissed and bitten opponents, this weekend he's reached a whole new level with slapping and spitting. Haye himself hasn't had problems in the past similar to last night, but he's always running his mouth off and in his last fight got silenced well and truly.
People will tell me to lighten up and that it's all about creating some hype for the sport, but there is a line and the pair plus their teams crossed the line last night. David Haye for some reason was allowed into the post-fight press conference, and his sole aim was to goad a fight with Vitali Klitschko, after Haye claimed they've agreed to a deal but Bernd Boente is the reason for it stalling. Then after yet again running his mouth off he managed to enrage Chisora to come to the floor, where the pair exchanged words before Haye threw the first punch.
The claim is that Haye glassed Chisora, but according to Ron Lewis of the Times newspaper this was not the case as he tweeted after the fiasco.
"Haye throws first punch with hand holding a bottle of lemonade (although he did not glass him as Chisora claimed) Brawl starts..."
I don't want to bore you with the minor details as I'm sure you know the story and if not you can see the video I linked earlier. But the actions of Chisora were nothing short of disgraceful. Threatening to 'shoot a man' or even 'burn him' if he doesn't get a fight is pure thuggery and sets a shocking example to the future of the sport. As a fan of football and rugby league over in the UK, I appreciate the sport of boxing and love the fact it's a sport with respect running through its core.
As usual Frank Warren was trying to use the situation to set-up a new fight but I think the two will be lucky to escape punishment. With the world focusing on the UK for the Olympics it sets a bad example for the country, but mainly it gives boxing a bad name. It reminded me of WWE, a fake sport with absurd story-lines and constant drama. I'll agree with those saying it increases the popularity of the sport and there will be more attention...but not for the right reasons. The incident has left British boxing trying to put a hand over its face.
As for the future, they'll probably get it on in the ring, if Haye gets that far after Chisora's threats. The public will demand the fight and it will get British boxing talking again, but I can see the Board of Control having something to say about all of this. They're the ones who need to dish the punishments (and maybe the German police) and it'll be interesting to see if they grant Haye a licence to box again (don't forget he will need a new one after letting his old licence lapse).
Chisora needs help. You can't go around threatening to kill people, and in stepping up the boxing ladder he seems to be disgracing himself at every opportunity. Some boxing experts and fans are demanding the pair never get the chance to fight again, but we know that won't happen. The heavyweight division needs a kick up the arse once more and last night it got more than it needed to kick it into life.
The whole thing takes the attention off the fight itself. Dereck Chisora did himself proud. The boxing world could be talking about him in a positive light this morning if he'd have shown respect after losing, and told David Haye what he thought and left it at that. Haye had his chance and was a shambles in July and should deal with it. He's not a leading British icon like he once was (or thought he was). The country put faith in him and he let everyone down. His failure to deal with his loss is laughable. Why should he fight Vitali? And this isn't a personal attack on Haye, I guess, but more a fan who was just devastated by his performance in Germany.
The real question, though, is who came out of this with any respect? Well who else but the Klitschkos? They're classed as boring and sometimes they are, but their attitude and actions epitomise what boxing is all about. As the action unfolded they stood there smiling, laughing and most of all stunned at the performance. They looked professional and as surprised as everyone else.
I know the general boxing fans aren't going to agree with me, they're going to read this and tell me to lighten up and shut up moaning. I love a tear-up, a brawl, and I appreciate it, in the ring. The American fight fans will probably take to Chisora a little more now, he's brash and could be dubbed as the British version of Mike Tyson. But as a British boxing fan I was ashamed, and you can call me boring all you like. It was pure thuggery, classless and a shocking example to the kids of the future, for a sport which has respect as one of its main principles.
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Well said, Thomas
I think I speak for many American boxing fans when I say that Chisora is a disgrace. Though you’re probably right that there are going to be casual fans who see him as the second coming of Tyson.
I'm a casual American boxing fan and didn't know who he was until like 2 days ago
The dude seems like a complete clown to me. I personally wouldn’t mind if he got a year suspension from the sport for all of the actions he’s done in the past 48 hours. Tyson did some wacky stuff too, but the difference is Tyson came across as crazy, but Dereck just seems like an asshole.
I believe Chisora is also mentally ill. Tyson has at least done something about it, took him a long time and a lot of bad stuff to get around to it though.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Its an embarrassment to mention Chisora's name in the same sentence as Tyson.
Tyson was damn good and dominated the heavyweight division….Chisora sucks.
Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon... with nail polish. These amateurs...
Hmmm not so sure
This piece wasn’t a piece comparing abilities it was comparing the attitude outside of the ring.
Ya but when you talk shit there is the factor of backing it up...
Tyson talked shit and then kicked ass… Someone who runs their mouth and sucks is just a clown. Hints the circus that took place… I prefer a fighter that kicks ass and keeps his mouth shut like Kiltschko
Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon... with nail polish. These amateurs...
Yep agree with that, Vitali is a class act. Sometimes he can be boring and a little too cautious everyone wants to see KO’s but he has skills and it’s why he’s been at the top for so long.
It was exciting.
Boxing needs excitement. /
Im sure they could of gone about it by saying “Chisora is a great opponent, and I respect his skills and heart”, but that isnt exciting.
by Shitali Klitschko on Feb 19, 2012 7:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions
They could have also said "Fuck you" to each other
and maybe some pushing and shoving, it would have created less of a negative response and some excitement
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The is talk about The BBBC fining the men but can they fine Haye? Seeing as he doesn’t have a boxing license and is “retired”
Boxing, for me, it's the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight, so I think that's something innate in all of us.
Probably not, but they can hit Adam Booth’s wallet.
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by Scott Christ on Feb 19, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
What a complete pair of pricks.
Disarm you with a smile ....
by Sir Jack Daniels on Feb 19, 2012 7:36 AM EST reply actions
I’d like, at the risk of breaking BLH rules, to repeat a couple of things I said earlier: I miss the Klitschko era already, and somewhere the “sport” has dropped out of this.
As an American, I don’t view this as in any way reflective of British character or values in general; these are two idiots, one barely controlled (Haye), the other hardly at all. And speaking for myself only, I don’t want this kind of “hype.” I don’t care how much revenue would be generated by a fight between these two: it would not be worth the disgrace of rewarding individuals like this.
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I don’t view this as in any way reflective of British character or values in general
Oh I think it’s very apparent that the Brits have poor character, generally, as shown by these two representatives of their culture. This press conference fight should be used as an example of why Brits are of lower quality overall, compared to America, the rest of Europe, Africa, Asia and Australia. Overall, Dereck Chisora and David Haye have permanently disgraced the UK, and tomorrow at 0700 I’d sell all my stock in the UK’s exchange because it’s going to to take an epic dive because of this.
….I don’t think anybody thinks this is a reflection of the UK in general. Nobody.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
Then please explain Myweather/Hatton press confrances then!
is press conference fight should be used as an example of why Brits are of lower quality overall, compared to America, the rest of Europe, Africa, Asia and Australia. Overall, Dereck Chisora and David Haye have permanently disgraced the UK
Then please explain Myweather/Hatton press conferences or maybe the Lewis/Tyson or if you like the comments of Hopkins in the lead up to the Calzaghe fight.
by Darren Mazey on Feb 19, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
It was a joke man, clearly. I don’t think it’s a reflection on the UK.
The only thing that I think can be categorized as “disgraceful” about any of that shit is Hopkins rolling around on the ground like a stuck pig during the JCal fight. The Executioner? – He lost me that bullshit.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
Yeah I think it should be made clear that I’d say most Americans would never see this as a negative on British culture in general but of two fools, individuals and fools.
Then again we’re often put in the position of defending American culture as a whole when a handful of individuals act the fool.
So what am I saying is, British BLH fans we’re there for you we know how you feel :)
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by battle axe of doom on Feb 19, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Having just reviewed the monkey business again it is indeed clear to me that Chisora and Haye are total tossers.
Compare them to Vitali who was total and utter class through all the antics.
Last night proved that those pair of morons aren’t fit to lace a Klitschko’s glove let alone share a ring with them.
Disarm you with a smile ....
by Sir Jack Daniels on Feb 19, 2012 8:14 AM EST reply actions
Not sure what to make of the brawl...
They both come across as having IQ’s less than Cesar Cuenca’s knockout percentage, but at least it adds excitement to a rubbish division. Character wise, if every fighter was like Andre Ward and Chad Dawson, it would be a much duller sport.
On the other hand, Chisora’s spitting was disgraceful and he should lose an even bigger percentage of his purse.
Still searching for an alive Dan Tucker.
What confused me was that no one stepped in when Chisora was walking towards David
These guys are fighters so you know that if they confront each other then hands are going to fly. I don’t see why a trainer or someone didn’t try and break stuff up. It would have had the same effect as hyping a potential fight, but without the black eye on the sport.
I thought I saw one of Chisora’s handlers try to stop him, but Chisora basically told him to leave him the fuck alone………………….smart move when you’re dealing with a crazed HW prizefighter.
I’ve had a hard time getting worked up about Chisora’s antics. I realize he’s an asshole if not a complete nutjob, but in terms of black eyes to boxing, I think what happened to Campillo last night was worse than anything he did this weekend.
by bachwards on Feb 19, 2012 9:56 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
I’m with you. I don’t think Chisora covered himself in glory outside the ring, but surely a guy getting jobbed inside the ring is that much worse?
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by Oli Goldstein on Feb 19, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
the problem is, chisora did fight well and kudos to him and outside of the ring they are both a disgrace, but it puts bums and seats and always will. and as crappy as it is, its got people excited in boxing again, and if chisora had just sat in his seat haye/chisora would not even be talked about haye could brush it under the carpet. now however, this confrontation almost demands the two to fight. which i cant wait to see personally its about time boxing got big rivalries again, just a shame that this had to happen to make it happen. it does make me feel slightly embarassed to be a brit tho, although tbf i think all british fans are in agreement that in the hw division we’re all rooting for david price :D
Chisora getting a disproportionate amount of blame here, what about Haye?
Here’s a guy who had no business being in the post-fight conference anyway, first having the temerity to even show up to the fight, and then talking crapola to Vitali offstage. All this after his no-show against Wladimir.
Seeing the dude licking his lips after the fight on Boxnation, talking about how he could see four or five shots ahead of Vitali and he’d love a crack at him made my skin crawl. He had his chance, he blew it. I don’t particularly like what little I’ve seen of him but there’s a killer line from Bernd Boente in the video, something along the lines of, “Chisora had heart, you had a sore toe”, or something like that.
Anyway, looking at the bigger picture; agreed with bachwards, need to forget these clowns – spare a thought for Campillo, screwed again, and he didn’t even resort to swinging a tripod at the post-fight presser.
by abcdefghijklost on Feb 19, 2012 11:05 AM EST reply actions
+ 1, and to add to haye should be getting more of the blame, haye threw the first “punch” whether it was a “bottling” or “glassing” remains to be proved but regardless haye started the fight, by turning up, mouthing off and engaging the physical confrontation. period. yet chisora is arrested and as yet munich police officers are saying they have no plans yet to charge haye :S
by sparky_mufc on Feb 19, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
totally agree
haye riled him up, threw the first punch, hit him with a bottle then swung a camera stand at him while he ran away
the fact that the bottle was in his hand as he threw the punch is irrelevant, it still got smashed on chisora
boente was right – “He showed heart, you showed us your toe”
chisora is a belligerent scumbag criminal, but haye was much worse here
really? Chisora doesnt deserve most of the blame?
I don’t like Haye, but he was at that press conference in the long standing boxing tradition of calling out the champ. I’m not saying he’s got any better chance with Vit than he had with Wlad, but he wasn’t in the wrong to be mouthing off here. Chisora felt he was getting showed up & inserted himself in the convo. Haye was still calling Vit “old” & saying he was ready for a fight when Chisora wanted in. And he was the one that approached Haye in an aggressive manner with multiple members of his entourage & staff wasn’t he? With Chisora’s reputation & recent behaivor why not punch him first? Maybe he should’ve dropped the bottle but instincts kick up. And then being a boxer he jumps to claiming he’s going to “shoot” & “burn” Haye? He should’ve just kept his ass at the stage.
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." George Bernard Shaw
by Fat Daddy Doobs on Feb 19, 2012 12:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the long standing boxing tradition of calling out the champ.
Haye’s retired and unlicensee. Got no business calling anybody out at all.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
so was Mayweather?..the list is extensive..
Everyone knows the first couple of retirements don’t stick! And besides he said had “agreed to the terms”? Sounds like there was business being done if he had even been presented terms no?
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." George Bernard Shaw
by Fat Daddy Doobs on Feb 19, 2012 1:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Chisora felt he was getting showed up & inserted himself in the convo.
No. Chisora’s still in the conversation because he fought his ass off. I don’t need to see Haye back-pedal his way to a shutout loss again.
Between Haye and Chisora, there’s only one disgrace to boxing, and it ain’t the guy who went out on his shield like a fucking warrior yesterday.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
ok..
I’ll take your word for it bcuz I didn’t watch & the word is Chisora put on a show despite almost getting shut out himself, but the press conference spectacle could’ve been avoided. Shit like that will get his career derailed. Idk much about him, but He reminds me of Ike Ibeabuchi without the “Jesus” spiel..
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." George Bernard Shaw
by Fat Daddy Doobs on Feb 19, 2012 1:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yea, he may be headed down the Ibeabuchi road. But, Ibeabuchi is mentally ill, badly mentally ill, and he can’t really be held responsible for his actions.
Well, he has been held responsible for his actions (legally) but I don’t think he should have been. Man belongs in a hospital, long term.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
On the contrary,
in a division as weak and as lacking in character as the HW’s, Chisora has Mayorga x4 type potential right now. He just needs to stay in shape and not shoot, main, or set anybody on fire, which ain’t exactly a given by any stretch but i like to think some things we can take with a pinch of salt.
by abcdefghijklost on Feb 19, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s a guy who had no business being in the post-fight conference anyway
I do know what people mean, however, David Haye was a paid media member yesterday, working for BoxNation.
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by Scott Christ on Feb 19, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
good point. only now i'm picturing the body of Jim Gray in Haye's body.
what a hellacious broadcaster we’d have then. Also, a felon.
by abcdefghijklost on Feb 19, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
urgh. meant to say Jim Gray's brain in Haye's body,
although i’d be interested in seeing the first incarnation of my comment.
by abcdefghijklost on Feb 19, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
LMAO!!!!
Now I have to go scrum my brain to get that image out… :-)
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by Stevosaurus Rex on Feb 20, 2012 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, we've been bored to teard for years now.
I’d hate the way Chisora has acted a lot more if he didn’t fight his ass off in the ring. If he was a phony or just a plain thug it would have been exposed in the ring.
He’s a fighter with a bad attitude. They all don’t have to be “yes, sir”. Characters are necessary in fight sports.
Let’s look at the bright side- he comes to fight and will go at anyone in the world. To me, that’s a welcome change.
And let me ask you this- Why the hell SHOULD he respect Haye or Wlad? David was mouthing off a thousand miles a minute so Dereck chose to confront him. There’s a certain “No BS” charm about that. haha
And Wlad standing over him, staring him down before the fight was idiotic. I like that Chisora refused to be controlled or intimidated.
This is fighting. It’s not a Mr Nice Guy contest.
Dereck is a nut, but at least it’s not an act.
agree 100%………….i get tired of the Klitschko’s, “you mess with me, so you have to mess with my bro” bullshit.
Chisora had the attitude, “Fuck you assholes”, I’m here to kick Frankenstein’s ass.
Agree and disagree
Course it’s a welcome change. I mentioned on more than one occasion how good I think Chisora did and how he never cowers from anyone. But come on…shoot him…burn him lets get real.
Why the hell SHOULD he respect Haye or Wlad?
Totally, totally agree.
Wladimir had also screwed him around twice in the previous 18 months over fights. The Klitschkos might behave like gentlemen in the public eye – and by all accounts they are gentlemen – but so much of their dominance stems from their control. Chisora set out to show that they weren’t in control of him; that they were facing a different animal; that he wasn’t going to sit on the end of the jab all night long. By no means did Del Boy cover himself in glory outside the ring, but I’ve got all the respect in the world for his performance inside it. At the end of the day, brawls have happened in the public eye before (Ali-Frazier, prime example) and they’ll no doubt happen again in the future. It’s boxing – since when weren’t fighters allowed to be aggressive?
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by Oli Goldstein on Feb 19, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
Very good post.
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
I’m perplexed. Does David Haye not realise we still have his shitty performance against Wlad fresh in our memories? Does he really think we’ve all been looking forward to seeing him hogging the limelight spouting off the usual drivel?
The bloke should be more humble and at least try to regain some confidence (if possible) in him. The more I see him, the more I dislike him. I’ve never boxed, but we are always told boxing actually teaches respect and discipline. What the hell happened to him?
Vlad & Vitali are two good, honorable and decent men. Chisora and Haye aren’t fit to be in the same room as them.
They make me feel ashamed to come from the same country.
I should also point out that I respect Vitali
for being so secure. He’s a legit badass.
Seems to me that if you put them in old soviet uniforms and give them AKs, they’re everything the western world feared in the cold war.
by Joe Landry on Feb 19, 2012 12:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yes, this sordid behavior by Chisora and Haye may put bums in the seats (for a fight or two), but it’s a band-aid, not a cure. Boxing needs great fights IN the ring. These carnival side shows, which have become so predictable these days, are among the reasons boxing is in decline and turns off so many potential fans.
As an American who loves Britain, I don’t feel they’ve brought shame on their country. They’ve brought shame on themselves and their sport, for which they are responsible.
"Luck is the residue of design."
-Branch Rickey
Dereck Chisora’s antics outside the ring overshadow his efforts in the ring. In six months time what are the general public going to remember? That lad from Finckley who did himself proud against a world champion? Or a mad man threatening to shoot people?
Is there something preventing you from remembering both? Ike Ibeabuchi (sp?) was a tough, badass SOB – who also happened to be dangerously schizophrenic. I remember both those things, quite easily. Let’s not make this a bigger deal than it is. We’re not losing any fans over some dumb shit at a press conference. We are losing fans (I guess) when people take fights with no intention of winning them.
You can’t go around threatening to kill people, and in stepping up the boxing ladder he seems to be disgracing himself at every opportunity.
I don’t know the criminal laws of Germany or the UK, but in the US, I can tell you I’m going to kill you all day. I agree Chisora needs help. He’s probably mentally ill. But I kind of like that about him.
The country put faith in him and he let everyone down.
So dramatic. Did you vote for him and then he turned around and stole money from the public coffers? Is he your chosen religious leader who’s been molesting children? How did he let your country down? He’s a fighter, he fights. He did fight. You should be proud of that. As Charles Barkley quipped, “I am not your kid’s role model.”
they’re going to read this and tell me to lighten up and shut up moaning
I’m with them.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
by lcollins1 on Feb 19, 2012 1:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I’m guessing you didn’t see the six months of constant TV appearances, constant promises and constant bullshit. For people to pay good money to watch the fight, attend the fight etc he didn’t turn up. He did not fight he mainly avoided him for several rounds and threw the odd big shot, then complained it was because of his toe.
The whole situation is pretty juvenile. Two guys who both clearly lost to the Klitschkos making idiots of themselves. Yes it is entertaining but still stupid. In isolation, you could maybe take each event (the slap, the water, the press conference brawl) as the usual ‘staged’ boxing chaos used to hype a fight. The fact that Chisora was part of all of these events, in the span of two days, with three different people, means that the only thing coming out of this fight is that Chisora is a bit unhinged. He fought well sure, but the fight did show that even in his best day is not good enough to beat a Klitschko brother.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
I've got to half stick up for David Haye.
If a man that was mentally unstable came hurtling across the room with the likely intention of assaulting me, biting me, spitting at me or worst of all French kissing me. I would have reacted in exactly the same way as David did. Hit first ask questions later. Chisora has been saying for a while now, and not just recently, that he was going to “slap” David Haye. Given the circumstances I’d hit first and sort the details out later.
Unfortunate for boxing but someone was going to drop Chisora at some point had he carried on with his out of the ring antics, if the Klitchko’s were not so well educated and classy it would probably have been one of them.
I know Brent Brookhouse always gives boxing a fair shake over at the MMA blog bloodyelbow.com, but what i don’t like is some other writer (Kid Nate) over there saying,
“Looks like there is a tiny bit of life in boxing’s heavyweight division. Too bad the action inside the ring doesn’t match the action outside the ring.
Not that i care much about what an MMA fan thinks of boxing but if this guy had actually taken the time to watch Vitali – Chisora he would have seen that it actually was a good fight.
And if he did watch the fight and still says what he did then he knows nothing about what a good fight consists of.
UnfortuNATEley, this crap in the aftermath has marred what was an entertaining contest
and there are always going to be naysayers (especially ones trying to ride boxing’s coatails) who are going to only look for the bad in the sport.
If the press conference fight had not happened i’m certain this guy would have made no mention of Klitschko – Chisora.
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
theres a mix of MMA fans that are disillusioned boxing fans...
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by Fat Daddy Doobs on Feb 19, 2012 2:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
theres a mix of MMA fans that are disillusioned boxing fans…
Can’t blame them there, really, with the way boxing carries on at times. :)
I do like both sports myself, but still love boxing more (for now anyway), even for all the BS.
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
Great point
It has got people talking and I understand why and respect what it could do for boxing. It could promote a big fight in the UK, which I see as a no contest personally with only one winner.
What is marred is that Vitali looked quite poor and Dereck never stopped trying and put up the best fight Vitali’s had for ages. Yet what got people talking does make British boxing look bad.
I haven’t seen a heavyweight boxing occurence cause as much as this one has for quite a while.
Most people who i know don’t know that much about the sport these days but, honestly, when i walked into my local drinking club this afternoon, the first thing i heard a group of lads saying debating last nights action was, “no, Chisora spat in Wladimir’s face………”.
It’s very rare i hear people talking about boxing like that.
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
cause as much debate
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
I know it’s not a good thing, but like you mentioned, it’s certainly got people’s attention.
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
Probably the only positive from the incident
O and Adam Booth’s attitude was a credit too kept calm and still got all his points across.
I’ve watched the “brawl” video..sure, Chisora should not have come away from the microphone stand, but Haye was completely out of line showing up athe conference and talking smack. Chisora is obviously not the type of guy to whom you can talk smack and get away with it.
I love the German guy, saying to Haye “all you brought to the fight was your toe”.
It’s too bad Chisora has no class whatsoever, because he has a fighters mentality. He comes to fight…unless it’s Tyson Fury (how the hell did he lose to that Irish Traveler stiff!?)
"In war, as in prostitution, the amateur is often better than the professional". Napoleon.
I agree with you about Fury. That guy is building one hell of a myth. David Haye was working at the fight for the UK broadcasting channel Boxnation so had every right to be at the fight and was not even addressing Chisora let alone “talking smack”
by Darren Mazey on Feb 19, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
(how the hell did he lose to that Irish Traveler stiff!?)
Not sure if he would have won anyway, but he was definitely out of shape going into that fight.
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
His aim was Vitali
I don’t think well I’m 95% sure Haye has no interest in Chisora. He thinks he’s better than him and his record and world titles you can’t really blame him. However Chisora didn’t get shamed by a Klitschko.
I think his main intention was to humiliate or piss off Vitali and make the public think about him again…and well he certainly did that just pissed off the wrong guy.
Looking at this
it looks like Haye got a beaut of a punch to Chisora’s jaw.
http://www.boxingscene.com/wladimir-i-told-haye-hell-btch-slap-you-more-photos—49755
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
Look how mad Booth is
To say I just said he acted calm… he certainly didn’t look it.
It also looks like Chisora’s trainer took some beating too, to be fair he did got after Haye and then in turn got a tripod to head.
People have been saying Haye threw the first punch, but Chisora did get up and instigate the confrontation.
He also has his fist against Haye’s jaw in the first picture.
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
good find!
That kinda changes things a bit..In the video id seen it appears as if Chisora approaches & Haye swings. That pic of Chisora pushing his fist against Haye’s face just changes everything. At least from a legal stand point. Altho there’s blame enough to go around, I initially thought this confrontation was mostly Chisora’s fault as Haye’s appearance was mainly to stand 50ft away & antagonize Vitali, and these pics look like evidence to the same point.
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." George Bernard Shaw
by Fat Daddy Doobs on Feb 19, 2012 3:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's hard to tell
but it looks like Haye has a bottle or something in his hand as he hits Chisora, cos water is flying, but it looks like it’s his fist that connects, no the bottle.
In that photo at least.
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
not the bottle
If he did have it in his hand he could have split his own hand open.
I know it’s heast of the moment but surely drop the bottle first, for your own safety too.
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
See that tweet I showed in the article
Someone from the Times newspaper said it was a bottle of lemonade from his knowledge( he was there). It does look like his fist connected first but the next few days may reveal more.
Also alot of people are suggesting Chisora picked up a bottle but dropped it quickly. Del Boy’s trainer was also giving it some, but Haye cracked him too and with a tripod.
Chisora did grab a bottle..
I saw it on the vid, but it looks like he either fumbled it or it was ripped away. Its in his right hand as he’s trying to get at Haye while Haye is roughing up his trainer..lol BOTH of their trainers as it turns out!
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." George Bernard Shaw
by Fat Daddy Doobs on Feb 19, 2012 4:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well,
it all looks pretty tame compared to Argentina. That was a real, dangerous mess with real injuries. Whole nuther ballgame, this is mostly just silly, classless boxers behaving badly, no worse.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
I have to agree.
i don’t see what happened as that big a deal really, apart from Haye having the bottle in his hand.
Fighter’s are gonna fight and sometimes a re gonna lose their rag.
I think Chisora spitting in Wlads face was more classless than what happened betwen him and Haye, although i don’t condone either.
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
In that situation everyone is amped up. Face to face like that, it’s fight or flight. Decisions are made in a fraction of a second. Haye felt threatened and went for the kill. I can’t blame him. He didn’t want to get embarrassed in front of all those people.
Chisora already went 12 with the champ and he’s trying to get into another fight with the guy who is trying to steal the show by yapping without pause. lol
I don’t care if it’s wrong… I LOVE IT.
Characters are fun and it feels ok because he gave it everything he had in the ring.
BTW
what is with Dan Rafael’s constant criticism of Haye for every little thing?
I mean, i don’t like Haye much either but i don’t become obsessive about it.
I have to deduce that Haye made some kind of insult about Rafael’s excess weight at some point and Dan took it to heart. :)
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
by Matt Mosley on Feb 19, 2012 3:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I've noticed that
Very odd…also noticed how Warren won’t praise anyone who isn’t under him regardless of what they do as a fighter.
Rafael really, really thinks he’s funny. He’s not, obviously – but he thinks that he is! Guy drives me nuts with his awful jokes and constant condescension. I managed to get myself blocked from his Twitter by regularly calling him out on some of the rubbish he spews; as with De La Hoya, he didn’t like it.
"Occasionally, there is a boxing match that, in its demonstration of skill, courage, intelligence, hope, seems to redeem the sport - almost. Perhaps boxing has always been a sport in crisis, a sport of crisis."
by Oli Goldstein on Feb 19, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Anyway, aside from all the bollocks of yesterday I reckon Haye v Chisora would be a good fight. I’d pay for it. (that’s assuming they can get the big dopey pair in the ring without killing each other)
They might have to do a poor man’s version of Lewis vs Tyson, with police lined up across the ring.
Instead of US cops though, they’d be London Bobbies. :)
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
Everyone is rushing to defend Haye and bash Chisora (or worse, make the spineless “theyre both equally disgraceful” claim). Haye BROKE A FUCKING BOTTLE OVER CHISORA’S HEAD AND THREW A TRIPOD AT HIM. ON VIDEO. It really isnt hard to tell from the video. I don’t understand how Chisora was supposed to handle that differently. “Oh, you disrupted my press conference and tried to maim me after I challenged you to a boxing match? Well, agree to disagree.”
Haye BROKE A FUCKING BOTTLE OVER CHISORA’S HEAD
Where’s your proof of this?
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
Exaggeration, to say the least.
the link i posted above shows pictures of whaty happened.
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
Haye clearly punched Chisora. The bottle was still in his hand but that was just an oversight by Haye in my opinion. The bottle in the hand stood to do more more damage to Haye than Chisore so surely wasn’t intentional?
by Darren Mazey on Feb 19, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
idk..
The pics that were shown have Chisora INITIATING physical contact by putting his fist up against Haye’s face. One of the next pics shows Haye punching Chisora cleanly in the mouth while CLEARLY holding the bottle as if were still drinking it. Didn’t “break it” over his head or even looked like he swung it as a weapon. Not sticking up for either of them btw…facts are I just didn’t see him brandish it like a weapon. Now the tripod thing…meh…he WAS getting attacked by several people at once bcuz he’d already been attacked by Chisora’s trainer at that point as well…shit happens..
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." George Bernard Shaw
by Fat Daddy Doobs on Feb 19, 2012 5:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Have v Chisora
‘TOE-JAM’
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
And this isn't a personal attack on Haye, I guess, but more a fan who was just devastated by his performance in Germany.
Yes! What you say sounds like hyperbole, but I was what you might call “devastated” after Hayes loss. I really thought this guy could win, but he never looked like it in the ring. I was a huge fan of Haye, but his performance and subsequent retirement was just gross.
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