Re: Cloud vs Campillo Decision
by BoxAnne on Feb 19, 2012 10:27 AM EST
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PrintWell, here we are again, barfing over another really egregious robbery. Maybe not quite Lara vs Peterson, but really close to it, I believe, and the third time Campillo has been robbed, of which one was too many. Dealing with Texas is likely hopeless, a tilting-at- windmills-behavior, but then again, when do they ever have to open e-mails suggesting they should do something about what went wrong? Might at least be a bracing experience for them, so here's that set of addresses:
Texas Combative Sports Program
PO Box 12157
Austin TX 78711
800 803 9202
and even better still
ATTN: DICKY COLE, Dick.cole@license.state.tx.us , 3936 Amherst, Dallas, TX 75225 (Home Address)
More likely to get some results is writing to the sanctioning body in charge, namely the IBF, which has a history of actually living up to its commitment on a number of past occasions; here, one more time, is their contact info:
International Boxing Federation
Office:
899 Mountain Ave., Suite 2C
Springfield, NJ 07081
Phone: 973-564-8046
Fax: 973-564-8751
Main Contacts:
Daryl J. Peoples, President
Lindsey E. Tucker, Championships Chairman
It can't hurt to write, and we have reason to believe that our two cents has made a difference in the past: LET'S GET IT ON
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I called them today and left a message, and I will write the IBF later on. I’m disgusted with Campillo getting robbed always, and I feel real bad for him. Campillo is a top 175 pounder in the world and he deserves better then what happened yestaurday.
by 36_chambers_ofdeatH on Feb 19, 2012 11:48 AM EST reply actions
Yeah, I feel real bad for him too.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Yeah he has been one my favorite fighters since the first Shumenov fight, and he should still be the WBA beltholder. Should I send a letter to Linsey Tucker, Peoples, or the Public Relations director?
by 36_chambers_ofdeatH on Feb 19, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Never mind retarded question since they don’t have links to Tucker or Peoples.
by 36_chambers_ofdeatH on Feb 19, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Dicky Cole lives 4 blocks from me. No shit.
"While he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones." J. Sutherland.
Don't know what that was, apologies...
How much of this do you think does gets taken seriously by a commission? Do you usually get a reply?
Still searching for an alive Dan Tucker.
don’t know how much it means either, but sometimes I get a reply. Did from New Jersey. I don’t think letters can turn the tide alone, but in company with major negative press, as this decision is getting from major heavy hitters, I think it puts more brush on the fire and helps.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Am I a heavy hitter? :)
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Sometimes, if enough people complain
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
I know I'm in the deep minority
But I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have Cloud winning. Hell, I scored it 114-112 for Cloud. I don’t know if it helped that I watched with the sound off. Campillo ‘won the event’ and did more overall, but there were a lot of close rounds I thought Cloud nicked by landing the harder punches and fighting more consistently through the course of the round (whereas Campillo took a lot of half rounds off).
116-110 Cloud is a travesty though. At worst Campillo won 5 rounds, and could reasonably have won as many as 9.
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Where I come from, this is known as a dry gulch.
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Letter to Cole
February 19, 2012
Dear Mr. Cole
This letter is written in the hopes that something will be done about the mistaken and wrongly career-altering scoring of the Cloud vs. Campillo match in Corpus Christi, TX, on Saturday, Feb. 18, 2012. These scores demonstrated incompetence at best, reeked of "home cooking" at worst, and are a disgrace.
The scoring may have been merely seriously erroneous in Joel Elizondo’s case, but it was flat-out egregious in David Robertson’s case. Hopefully, the Texas Commission will meet the standard set by the New Jersey Commission’s response to the Erislandy Lara vs. Paul Williams decision, wherein the judges rendering really awful, and very wrong, scores were and have remained suspended. It’s not like it’s never been done.
It’s the kind of thing that gives boxing a bad name, and doesn’t do much for the otherwise good name of the State of Texas and its Commission’s choice of judges either. It’s my fervent hope that a public and adequate remedy is applied by you and the Commission you head.
For a review of the reasons I believe this decision is broken and should be fixed, here follow the words of several writers who know a lot more than I do and have expressed the issue well. This is a short and incomplete list, but these men get it said.
"Suspend the Judges?: Weekend Review and Update" by Cliff Rold, BoxingScene
http://www.boxingscene.com/suspend-judges-weekend-review-ratings-update—49775
"Campillo Robbed vs. Cloud, Williams Beats Ishida" by The Sweet Science
http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles/14134-campillo-robbed-vs-cloud-williams-beats-ishida
And, from another The Sweet Science article by esteemed boxing writer Thomas Hauser, the following:
On Saturday night, Gabriel Campillo got robbed in Corpus Christi.
Campillo survived two first-round knockdowns at the hands of Tavoris Cloud, fought his way back into the fight, and appeared to have won the IBF 175-pound title. This writer scored the bout 114-112 in Campillo’s favor. Judge Denny Nelson had it 115-111. Joel Elizondo raised eyebrows with a 114-112 scorecard favoring Cloud.
Then came the shocker.
David Robertson scored the bout 116-110 for Cloud.
That led Showtime analyst Al Bernstein to declare, "How he could have arrived at a 116-110 scorecard is beyond my comprehension.
Bernstein was being polite. I can think of several ways that Robertson arrived at his verdict, none of them pretty.
Elizondo’s scorecard was an embarrassment. Robertson’s was worse. Bernstein noted that, prior to Cloud-Campillo, Elizondo and Robertson had judged only one world title fight between them. Robertson shouldn’t judge another."
For further writings on the issue:
"Cloud vs Campillo Results: Gabriel Campillo Robbed Again, This Time in Texas" by Scott Christ, Bad Left Hook
http://www.badlefthook.com/2012/2/18/2809290/cloud-vs-campillo-results-robbery-scoring-don-king-texas-commission-boxing-news-showtime
Thanking you for your kind attention and hoping for justice at your discretion,
Yours,
[BoxAnne]
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There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Hauser is certainly esteemed in his own mind. But not in mind.
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
I'm just plain sick of his arrogance, condescension, narcissism, and pomposity
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Pernaps, but his words carry weight in the general world of boxing, and he got this one right for sure.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
by BoxAnne on Feb 20, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
TO KNOW HIM IS TO DISPISE HIM AND i KNOW HIM. HE IS A SWINE.
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
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