Floyd Chooses Cotto
by pakinpower on Feb 2, 2012 2:43 AM EST
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With time working against him and his May date, Floyd Mayweather has finally selected his opponent; the illustrious and ever humble Miguel Cotto. These two men are two of the three biggest names and thus attractions in Boxing and their meeting will undoubtedly be watched by many. Both will achieve great paydays. For Cotto, maybe his largest to date.
So there is much to look forward to.
Clearly, despite their star power, neither men are in their absolute primes but no matter. They will arrive in the ring as the professionals they are, prepared as always for giving their best efforts.
As with all such high profile later stage fights, we should expect their respective constuencies to be out in force with Miguel wearing the white hat and Floyd being Floyd. If we are fortunate, we will see much and learn all the more exactly where both men are in the arc of their careers.
But what exactly will we see. When we last saw Cotto he was avenging one of his two defeats; a bad one at the hands of Antonio Margarito. Cotto won that fight with aplomb but there are some, arguably the minority, who believed that had the fight gone on longer, the result may have been different. Personally, credit due where credit is due. Miguel Cotto took the fight that haunted him and he won. Period.
Floyd was last seen dominating a mentally 'challenged' but otherwise game Victor Ortiz in his second fight at welterweight. The bigger Ortiz was game until the screws in his head loosened and he used it's housing to try to change the trajectory of a fight he was going to lose no matter.
The problem, given how absurdly that fight ended, is that we saw too little. Certainly we saw a shutout being pitched against a top prospect but we never saw the complete game. And given Floyd's age and the rarity of his appearances, we would have been better served watching him go longer and deep.
I cannot speak for you gentlemen and ladies but I cannot see how a Cotto who struggled with Clottey and was absolutely destroyed within twelve by Pacquaio (over two years ago, no less) will fare any better. I can say I hope so but that and a few Benjamins aren't getting me to Vegas to see the fight.
I am both a critic and a great admirer of Cotto so I wish him well. But the realist in me says not bloody likely.
Lastly, the all mighty dollars aside (and there will be many), I cannot see exactly what Floyd can accomplish fighting this version of Cotto as compared to say ... a prime Cotto four or so years ago. Beating Miguel is beating Miguel but as Floyd likes to say, why should he fight someone else's leftovers. Cotto can be called many things....but no one can call him fresh. Or prime.
What say you?
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Well, atleast Cotto wont be drained and have to worry about making weight.
He’ll be more than comfortable in this fight. No excuses afterwards. He can eat and drink whatever he wants and not have to dehydrate. And if this version of Cotto is not the same as the 07, 08 version, is this version of Mayweather the same as a 07,08 version would be??? I dont understand how people think that everyone else ages but time stands still for Mayweather. Mayweather is going up to 154, and probaly wont come within 4lbs of that weight. This is a true test for both fighters.
"Winning is Everything"
Failure is not an Option
If you're not first, you're last
True, but Mayweather has not been in the same amount of battles/wear ‘n tear as Cotto has. Cotto has fought EVERYBODY, a better version of Mosley in 2007, a prime Margarito, Manny Pacquiao, Zab Judah, Joshua Clottey… and coupled with that he is no defensive genius. Floyd is a defensive genius, so he has less wear and tear but his legs are almost gone, and also he’s managed himself carefully so he hasn’t had to have as many dog fights as Cotto has. And sometimes pple do age differently… Shane was about 36 or 37 when he called out Mayweather in 2009, and they fought when he was about 38 in the middle of 2010.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
by cylee1180 on Feb 2, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Cotto fought every one Floyd did not as a welterweight in their primes
You can say many great things about Miguel but you cannot pretend he is in his prime.
Jesus, he was on the cover of Ring Magazine three years ago with the title asking "Is Cotto Done? and that was before Clottey almost beat him at Madison Square Garden on PR day….and Manny kicked the tar out of him before he realized what had happened.
To suggest otherwise is foolhardy.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Jesus, he was on the cover of Ring Magazine three years ago with the title asking "Is Cotto Done?
OK. They were asking a question, not stating a fact. Eight years ago Drew Brees was coming off of a horrific shoulder injury, and people asked: Is Drew Brees done? Obviously if you watch football, you would know that he’s nowhere near done. Both of these guys have had setbacks, and both of these guys have responded positively to them.
"Winning is Everything"
Failure is not an Option
If you're not first, you're last
Jesus, he was on the cover of Ring Magazine three years ago with the title asking "Is Cotto Done?
OK. They were asking a question, not stating a fact. Eight years ago Drew Brees was coming off of a horrific shoulder injury, and people asked: Is Drew Brees done? Obviously if you watch football, you would know that he’s nowhere near done. Both of these guys have had setbacks, and both of these guys have responded positively to them.
"Winning is Everything"
Failure is not an Option
If you're not first, you're last
Yeah
He responded to that cover by having the tar beat out of him in his very next fight against Pacquaio.
Great response.
What he did was then vacate the division, fight Yuri Foreman, Ricardo Mayorga and Margarito. Whoop de frigging do.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Cotto fought Pac a year after the horrific beating against MArgarito
He was almost running against Clottey, stopped fighting at times.
His Confidence was ruined, he had not mentally recovered from the horrible beating he took.
Then throw in a catchweight on that.
Cotto moved immediately to LMW after that fight, got some wins, finally found a real trainer that fits him.
3 years since the beating he took from Pac, he is in a better place mentally.
He has taken care of his boggyman
by Mohammedini Hussein on Feb 4, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you Leonard.
Now take Floyd’s hand off of the strings and tell us something original.
There are two things for certain. Cotto had the crap beat out of him by Pacquaio..and Floyd’s propagandists are trying to sell someone else’s ‘leftovers’ as fresh.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
yes Cotto is a leftover
but after Pac and Martinez(he fights in March, a fight that was booked in december) Cotto is the best available opponent.
Don’t you think?
And don’t you think he has recovered a bit since his beatings?
PAc- Cotto rematch would ahve ended by another beating from Pac.
Styles makes fights and I don’t know what problems Cotto might cause
by Mohammedini Hussein on Feb 5, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Also wouldn't you agree cotto wasn't himself in the Clottey fight?
Also don’t you think a proud fighter like Cotto being made to quit infront of thousands of his countrymen is traumatic?
Do you think he recovered from that? that he regained his confidence from the Clottey fight?
Who do you honestly think is in a better mental state?
the Cotto that fought Pac or the Cotto coming in to this fight, having gain some form of redemption?
by Mohammedini Hussein on Feb 5, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I do think Cotto is a good choice
Not because he is better than he was three years ago because he’s not. Not even his most avid fans would argue with a straight face that he is nearer his prime today than he was then. Most would acknowledge the simple fact that no matter how things transpired, Cotto has accumulated to much wear and tear, and punishment to be the fighter he was when he went from junior welter to welter.
I like the fight because it’s a match up between two guys who know how to fight. It is more of a match between two of the greatest names of this decade than it is two of the greatest at this time.
Miguel came to fight Clottey with the wind at his back in front of a full house at the Garden on PR Day in NYC and he barely won. I sat ringside and the amassed audience was holding it’s breath. It was clear that he understood incoming punches and the harm they can do because he began to backpedal against the accurate and hard counters if Clottey.
Do I think he’s more relaxed, mature and mentally at peace today than he was then. Yes. Do I he’s a better and/or a more dangerous/ formidable fighter. No.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
excellent point!
It’s true that Cotto was closer to his prime against Pac, no question.
by Mohammedini Hussein on Feb 6, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Cotto and Oacquiao would fight
But I am so much happier that it looks to be Bradley.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Bradley gonna 60/40 whoop dat ass!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
The loser eats crow however it's prepared
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
I love how nobody is allowed to have there own opinions with you. One of your more charming personality traits.
When I'm talking to haters
And I believe you will never find a single positive comment about Pacquaio by Zfan or Mohammedini….I do not pull punches.
If you or anyone wants to talk boxing, I love it. But when people with nothing positive to say one particular subject, whether they be Floyd, Manny, Arum haters, I have no patience.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
but his legs are almost gone
Freddie Roach is the only person to say that and now everybody is running around talking about Floyd’s legs.
"Boxing is like dealing with a ho"
-Bernard Hopkins
Or anyone with eyes can observe that… can anyone see the same legs Floyd had with Ricky Hatton or earlier in his current state? Roach was stating the obvious, and oh, he doesn’t like pressure.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
No he doesn't
Not Castillos, Not Oscars. Nor Hatton early.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
You mean the Castillo he fought with a torn rotator cuff and still got a draw?
Or ODLH who got 3 rounds at most? Or Hatton who won at most 3 rounds and got finished?
by Mohammedini Hussein on Feb 5, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Fighters almost always fight with injuries, stated or unstated, you can’t make an excuse for Floyd being roughed up in a fight (castillo). Mosley’s scar tissue in his lungs… Berto has some condition just diagnosed from Conte that affected his stamina… Haye’s toe… Donaire’s hand… Ward’s hand… blah blah blah
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Oscar won more than three rounds
BTW, Donaire has hand problems.
Pacquiao has foot problems.
We all have problems.
No excuses.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
how many rounds did he win?
If you give ODLH more than 4 rounds then clearly you have some kind of a problem with Floyd.
Okay if you give him 4 rounds but not more, no way in hell.
by Mohammedini Hussein on Feb 6, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
These are the scores
Judges Jerry Roth (115-113) and Chuck Giampa (116-112) scored the fight for Mayweather while judge Tom Kaczmarek had De La Hoya winning, 115-113
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
TK was and is blind
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
I don’t mind this fight at all, aside from the fight that should be happening, however i think it’s obvious why Floyd agreed to 154:
He knows Cotto’s style is made for him.
Cotto will make a good fight of it, especially early, but will continually get picked off and eventually stopped, imo.
Mayweather TKO 10.
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
Of course Cotto is no longer prime, but part of the reason I felt he got so severely beaten by Clottey and Pacquiao was that horrible Joe Santiago. He had no business cornering Cotto. Also, I wish Manny Steward were still his cornerman… that would make things fun… but I’m sure there’s a reason why Dawson and Cotto canned him within the same time period. Pc!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Caveman
I don’t care about the handwraps BS. Cotto started strong but began quickly losing that fight against Margarito early as well. His punches carry but so much power and he does not take punches uniquely well at this point.
And BTW, that first fight was with Uncle Evangelista.
Cotto is a terrific fighter. One of the best of this past decade. But he has not been unhittable nor unbeatable. Lesser men have stunned him. Floyd wont have a problem.
Floyd by constant right hand pot shot. UD by wide margin.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Dude, wussup! Fe’roz, there was no mention of the handwrap. I said that it was Joe Santiago’s fault that he fought Clottey and Pacquiao, both the only fights that Santiago has cornered him, with basically no game plan or plan B. What I’m also saying is that now that Cotto has a good trainer in his corner and one that he has a good relationship with (Evangelista Cotto) and isn’t ignorant (Joe Santiago) he might actually do better than the the year of 2009.
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
He has also had very careful matchmaking as well
Courtesy of his management.
Foreman, Mayorga and late, less great Margarito.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Still, though, Santiago sucks! We can all agree on that!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Let’s say he does but Cotto beating a tattered Margarito does not make Diaz trainer if the year.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Nope, I liked his footwork in that fight. He seemed to float when he moved, at least from my nosebleed seats!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
Diaz def. not trainer of the year. But yeah, cotto was aight in that fight. Can’t wait until may!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
I liked it fine but this isn’t dancing with the stars. That is Floyd’s territory
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Buahahaha…
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
PP has the beat
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Cotto was wise to become a promotional free agent.
There’s no way this fight happens if he is tied to Top Rank.
Unless fighters have Cotto’s leverage, they should sign with Top Rank if they want Pacquiao, or sign with Golden Boy if they want Mayweather.
"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe
Cotto did not sign with GB nor did he resign with TR
Because he has unique leverage now.
No other fighter has anything quite like it and most if not all need then sponsorship, management and promotion of a good team to make it so we even know who the hell they are.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
That's pretty much what I said.
"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe
by EastCoastA on Feb 7, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This choice was part of what I call the “Mayweather Business Model.” Wait til a guy is ripe like Cotto is, then present him with a retirement package he cannot refuse, and then perpetrate a beat down on him. Mayweather will slice and dice the backpeddling Cotto until Miguel’s face looks like a cheese and sausage pizza. The referee, hopefully not a fair but firm one, will then step in and give the beloved Cotto a compassionate stoppage.
The key par of this model lies in the waiting.
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
I think you’re over estimating Floyd’s offensive power. He’s sharp, he’s accurate, and he can hurt you, but how many KO’s has he had at 147 or above? He didn’t KO judah, baldomir, dlh, mosley, marquez… just pointing out. I actually feel Cotto will have some offensive moments and will have more speed/explosiveness than Floyd has been counting on… but I hope Cotto doesn’t touch gloves!
"According to all the laws of aerodynamics the bumble-bee should not fly, but the bumble-bee does not know this and so flies anyway."
No. I am eatimating the fact I think Cotto is done. The Margo fight left his face looking like he shaved with sandpaper.
He also backpeddled against ther plodding Margo. If he does that against Floyd, he will be sliced up.
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
But your poiint is taken
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Shaved with Sandpaper
Priceless.
He called it glove burn. Or was that Marquez after the Pacquiao fight.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Allow me (without sneers) to run MY same old shit--
Floyd should be fighting Martinez at 154, if—as he says he can—Sergio can still make that weight.
The “Recycled Battered Tour” is becoming the boxing equivalent of the Seniors Tour, and I’m tired of it.
PP, you think Jr. handles Martinez right: Well let’s see him because we both know that either handles Cotto.
Second part of my same old shit: If not Martinez, then at least a younger, stronger, Canelo—
I can convince myself (foolishly or not) that there is some intrigue there.
However, I might never watch another Manny OR Jr. fight again, just on principle.
Manny v Bradley is the bet at 140 fighting one of the two best at welter
I do belive Floyd would beat Martinez but Floyd obviously does not.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
It's the Maywaether Business Model and you had best get used to it because he will not desert it
and fight Sergio. Tjhe model does not allow for the notion that The Best Fight the Best.
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
It's the Money model employed by Floyd for half a decade
“I will fight no man in his prime”
Pretty Boy had more balls but less money.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
A model doesn't allow for the notion that the Best fight the Best--
is
one reason I’m not so enamored of this moment in boxing.
Of course it does. A model can allow for anything it wants, but once it does, it's cast in concrete.
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
I meant to say
a model that doesn’t allow for—-
That the model is not set up to produce best vs. best I am malcontented
Pakin Power seems to be feasting on sour grapes and bitter lemons.
If the fight made was Pac/Cotto II then this article would not exist, it would be hyperbole about Cotto is in a career renaissance….
by Shitali Klitschko on Feb 6, 2012 8:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No. Not at all.
It would be about money.
Manny kicked the living shit out of Mayweather in his most impressive single performance. I didn’t need to see it again.
I like Cotto….but look through these pages for my comments, particularly in regards to Cotto Margarito I, and I am consistent. I think Magarito was beating Cotto early, mentally then physically. I think he has never been the same and that he was beatable that night. Manny just put the exclamation point on it.
Floyd is facing a Big Name only. It’s like a fancy masters ‘exhibition’ fight where we watch because of celebrity, not competition.
Same with Pacquiao Mosely. Two big names That was about it.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Manny also NOW folows the Mayweather Model
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Manny kicked the living shit out of Mayweather in his most impressive single performance. I didn’t need to see it again.
Huhn????
Same with Pacquiao Mosely. Two big names That was about it.
Are you saying that Mayweather/Cotto is the equivalent to Pacquaio/Mosley??
People have been calling for Mosley’s retirement since the Mayweather fight. He’s went on to look pitiful in his next two fights. People are dissing anyone who even brings him up as a possible opponent at this point……Now tell me, how does that relate to Cotto?
"Winning is Everything"
Failure is not an Option
If you're not first, you're last
Big Names
Cotto is done and has been for some time. He sold well against Margarito for obvious reasons. But he fliches every time he’s hit; something which started with the loss to Margarito and was capped off against Manny.
Floyd is fighting Manny’s Leftovers. Get it.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
What you’re saying still doesn’t say how Cotto is the equivalent of Mosley. Look at my post above again and tell me if you can replace Mosley’s name with Cotto with the points I made.
"Winning is Everything"
Failure is not an Option
If you're not first, you're last
Nobody’s calling for Cotto’s retirement. Cotto didn’t look pitiful in his last couple of fights. As he’s won all three. Other boxers aren’t getting clowned for bringing Cotto up as a possible opponent, unlike Mosley.
"Winning is Everything"
Failure is not an Option
If you're not first, you're last
No. He’s not Mosely. But he is not the Miguel Cotto that once elicited fear in his opponents.
Bossman said it best. The blueprint for beating him was created years ago and executed with extreme prejudice by a prime Pacquaio.
I like Cotto….because I like his professionalism and his character. But as a fan, I couldn’t NOT notice that he flinched when Yuri Foreman hit him and was hit flush by Ricardo Mayorga ….two pitiful opponents of Cotto’s last three.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Cotto is likeable and soulful and easy to like. But his boxing skills have eroded badly since the first
Martgo fight. Prior to that one, he was a stalking body punching monster. Post Margo, he became a back peddliny overly circumspect guy who has finally learned how to puncg going back, but now it’s too late.
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Meant to say
Manny kicked the living shit out of Cotto (not Mayweather).
Freud must be nearby
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Who or what is Freud?
I tried to look it up before I post, and all that came up was Sigmund Freud. And I doubt thats what you’re talking about
"Winning is Everything"
Failure is not an Option
If you're not first, you're last
There is no other
Unless you’re talking about British painters
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Siggy Freud ran up a 34-8 record while fighting out of Brooklyn in the 30s and 40s
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Damn you Boss
And I had him stumped on Sigmund
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Manny sliced and diced Cotto and May will do the same. Manny has given May the blueprint
but Clottey also designed one.
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
Exactly
Manny sat ringside and saw the Cotto we have today. He just finished wht clottey didn’t. With extreme prejudice.
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
And so with Money
"I wish people would love everybody else the way they love me. It would be a better world."
—Muhammad Ali…
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