Martinez vs Macklin: Fight Poster From HBO
by Scott Christ on Feb 27, 2012 11:15 AM EST
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PrintHere's the official HBO poster for the March 17 fight between middleweight world champion Sergio Martinez and Matthew Macklin.
Now this one, I like this one. That's a classy poster. I like the design so much and the layout so much that I'm not even going to harp on the fact that they're pretending this is really at Madison Square Garden and not The Theater at Madison Square Garden, which is kind of like playing The Shelter and pretending you played Saint Andrew's Hall.
If you missed the DiBella Entertainment event poster, click here for that one.
Martinez (48-2-2, 27 KO) is looking to make it five wins in a row since his debatable and excellent late 2009 loss to Paul Williams. I don't know if it was someone here who mentioned it or I read it elsewhere, but someone made me think about how miraculous that fight was in the way that it broke Sergio Martinez out almost accidentally. That was supposed be Kelly Pavlik vs Paul Williams, but Pavlik kept pulling out of the fight (in my opinion, he straight up ducked his way out of fight Williams, but that's a long story), so Williams just fought Sergio instead, and they put on a Fight of the Year-caliber war, and then Martinez wound up getting the shot at Pavlik, won the middleweight championship, and here we are.
Is anyone giving Macklin (28-3, 19 KO) a fair shot here? I think he's better than Dzinziruk and Barker last year, and I think he's going to make it a better fight than they did, but I just don't like the style matchup for him. Macklin's a good, tough fighter, a real fighter's fighter, but still, this is a guy who went the distance with Ruben Varon two fights ago and didn't look all too hot. The challenge last year against Felix Sturm -- I said then that I got the feeling that was as good a fight as Macklin could have fought, and I don't think even a repeat of that is enough to beat Sergio. But I'm looking forward to the fight because Macklin isn't boring.
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Williams just fought Sergio instead, and they put on a Fight of the Year-caliber war
One of my favourite fights of the last 5 years or so.
But I’m looking forward to the fight because Macklin isn’t boring.
Yeah, plus i think he’ll give it all he’s got and go down fighting.
He’s got a pretty decent chin, and while he will no doubt be shiupping plenty, i think he’ll give quite a few and give Sergio a good workout, certainly if he comes in the same frame of mind that he did against Sturm.
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
I'm not a big Martinez guy
I think he’s a good fighter, clearly the best middleweight, but to hear Max Kellerman go on and on about him being a “superfighter” just strikes me as odd. Starting in 2009, he had a robbery draw with Kermit Cintron, a debatable decision loss with a still-good Paul Williams, a solid but not overwhelming win over a fading (crazy, given he was only 28) Kelly Pavlik, a sensational one-punch knockout of a fading Paul Williams, a dominant win over a decent blown-up 154 pounder in Dzinziruk, and an OK win against Darren Barker. What about that screams “superstar” rather than “best guy in the division, but beatable”?
That said, I think he’ll take care of Macklin. As you said, the style matchup is pretty good for him.
I know what you mean.
I’m quite a fan of his and was in the minority in picking him to beat Pavlik and also to beat P Will in the rematch (though i never would have predicted it to be such a devastating finish), but i admit that he doens’t exactly dominate fighters one after the other like Floyd, Manny or Andre Ward usually do.
He’s very good but i don’t think he’s unbeatable ( i know not many are but you know what i mean).
Saying that though, he is often the smaller guy in there, and even when he fights guys like Dzinziruk, he was really fighting a guy from Martinez’s true weight division, just upo at middleweight, imo.
Pavlik, Williams (who Sergio may well have ruined), Dzinziruk and Cintron are not bad wins to have on the slate.
He’s in a crappy division and on top of that a lot of them won’t fight him so he isn’t really to blame for his spotty opposition.
I agree though, “Superstar” is a bit much. But then, this is Max Kellerman we are talking about. He of the bulging eyeballs and hyperbole. :)
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
by Matt Mosley on Feb 27, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
How is Paul Williams still good in the first fight and then fading in the second? Martinez fought the same P-Will that fighters avoided and exposed him.
Yeah, lets be fair here. Williams did get the decision in the first fight after all, so he can’t have slipped all that much in between the two. Bottom line: He wanted to war it out, Sergio and his team has studied the first fight and Sergio kept throwing that same left hook/cross.
Eventually it hit the sweet spot.
Also, Pavlik may have slipped a bit, but his only loss at that stage was to the great Hopkins, plus Pavlik was/is a fully fledged middleweight.
Martinez is a natural light-middle wth the ability to beat the best at the weight above.
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
I think Williams had started to fade by the time 2010 came around. In 2009, he beat Winky Wright and Sergio. In 2010, he failed to look very good against noted defensive wizard Kermit Cintron before winning a peculiar technical decision when Kermit flew out of the ring, then got blasted out by Sergio in their second fight. A few months after that, he was getting picked apart by Erislandy Lara, though he won on an absolute robbery.
Hindsight is 20/20 of course and the second Martinez-Williams fight was highly-anticipated, but I think it’s pretty clear that Paul was starting to fade by the time it happened.
Personally, I don't think Williams has changed much at all.
Little to no “fading.” Rather, his weakness has become so glaring that everyone now knows how to beat him. It was always there. Tall Paul is still Tall Paul, but the blueprint for beating him has been has been confirmed and broadcast for all to see.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
And they refuse to even try to change anything, which is a big factor. When he’s gone (out of the sport, I mean, not when he dies), we’re going to look back and really wish he’d hired a real trainer along the way.
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by Scott Christ on Feb 27, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Because Paul looked like shit
Against kermit Cintron in the bout after barely/debatably beating Martinez. Because he was digressing
"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali
Yeah I know what you mean too. He’s very, very good. But I feel like I’m going to be one of the people least shocked or “let down” when he blows a fight he should have won. Plus he’s 37.
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by Scott Christ on Feb 27, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Your analysis is spot on. I think Macklin beat Sturm, but styles make fights.. and Macklin’s style is just all wrong versus Martinez. I see it as a Martinez KO before the final bell. Macklin will charge in all night, Martinez will hit him with hard counter combinations all night, until KER-POW it’s over.
He’ll bring the kind of pressure that may cause Martinez to fade. He’s 36 maybe 37 now I’m not sure. I think he outcome will depend on Martinez level of conditioning. It’s never been a problem but with age eventually it will be a problem. I’m a huge Sergio fan, I hope he wins but I saw how Sturm grew fatigued against Macklin and it kind of worries me a little.
by RRod806 on Feb 27, 2012 2:11 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I agree with some of what you’re saying. Martinez is a bit old, and Macklin could have the style to push him to use a lot of energy. Also Martinez is a fighter that is used to keeping his hands at his side throughout the fight, and guys that have been technically deficient tend to struggle with age (see Roy Jones).
by Kory Kitchen on Feb 27, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that Macklin has the type of pressure that could make Martinez fade. I just think Martinez lands enough big lefts that causes Macklin to be stopped in about 7-8 rounds of a really good action fight.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Feb 27, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
That is a really good looking poster. Side note: Does anybody know where you’d find these posters, you know, in real life? At a bar maybe? I think the last poster I’ve seen and took was the Mayweather-De La Hoya poster. It was at a Circle K.
by TheDemolitionDan on Feb 27, 2012 3:05 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I got a Mayweather-Hatton poster and t-shirt but i had to go to the fight for that!
If you really wanted one and were willing to pay, i suggest contacting the promoter for info.
"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.
If you want this poster, you can find it at Jack Demspey's in midtown Manhattan.
They often have extras. I walked by recently, and they had this poster up.
If you are in Brooklyn, you can also find it at “200 5th,” a sports bar on 5th ave in Park Slope.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Bars that show the fights always have them. You might be able to convince someone to give you one, or sell you one, or whatever.
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by Scott Christ on Feb 27, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
save the no homo shit man
Doesn’t fly here
by Sweet science on Feb 27, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
My girlfriend prefers Cotto and Khan to Alvarez and Martinez.
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by Eoin_not_ian on Feb 27, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Alvarez isn’t good looking, just unique with the red hair. Khan often looks like Sam the Eagle, but has a winning smile.
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by Scott Christ on Feb 27, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think Martinez’s handsomeness is slightly overrated. Antonio Tarver still looks like he’s 24 years old. Vitali Klitschko becomes more dignified and handsome with age, I’d say. The reverse appears to be happening with Wladimir. And I know he’s a prick and all, but David Haye is a really handsome dude.
The general homophobia of the boxing community makes me particularly enjoy chances to post things like this. I should make a FanPost and see who I get to ban.
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by Scott Christ on Feb 27, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Personally I think that Wlad has gone a bit ‘Hollywood’ in recent years. Vitali never fails to carry himself as a class act. Dignified almost. I think it probably adds to any sense of handsomeness attached to him.
I think Martinez’s problem is that he is sometimes a bit over-groomed, and the fact that Dibella etc is always talking about his ‘model good looks’ means that his appearance his scrutinised to a higher degree than other boxers.
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by Eoin_not_ian on Feb 27, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
'is' scrutinised
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by Eoin_not_ian on Feb 27, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
I would have t disagree.
Tarver may look youthful, but he also just looks a bit goofy to me, and not at all “handsome.” I think the Klitschkos are rather homely, but that’s an entirely different matter from attractiveness. Haye, to me, is not at all handsome, just symmetrical and therefore, acording to research on this, “attractive.”
Martinez, in addition to symmetry, has a ruggedness combined with a notable definition of the fine details of his face, especially around his nose and mouth. I think that this is what makes him the only genuinely “handsome” one of the bunch.
If you find yourself going through Hell,
keep going.
--- Winston Churchill
I find Martinez too groomed to be rugged. To be fair though I just always picture him with that goofy crown he wore after he KO’d Williams.
Kessler is more rugged in my opinion.
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by Eoin_not_ian on Feb 27, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Kessler’s not bad in the attractiveness department, but I think Martinez has more cheekbone, s;ightly better jawline and chin, and a better nose. He looks like he has great teeth too, BTW, nicely proportioned.
If you find yourself going through Hell,
keep going.
--- Winston Churchill
Fair point. Really it comes down to whether you prefer Viking or Latino.
Martinez also has the anti-bullying and anti-abuse of women going on for him which makes him comes across as such a nice guy.
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Feb 27, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think you’re right about the Viking vs Latino idea (even though I’m a Swede).
And Martinez’ stance on the issues you mention certainly win attractiveness points. There’s nothing like a crappy personality to utterly negate any physical attributes. I can think of any number of Hollywood types.
If you find yourself going through Hell,
keep going.
--- Winston Churchill
Also, that crown business was unfortunate, wasn’t it?
If you find yourself going through Hell,
keep going.
--- Winston Churchill
Yeah. Mind you its the only title he has left really!
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by Eoin_not_ian on Feb 27, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
He’ll always be #1 in my book!
If you find yourself going through Hell,
keep going.
--- Winston Churchill
I’m just waiting for the next Chavez fight, where Top Rank or the WBC will actually provide Chavez with a solid gold crown encrusted with precious jewels, just to screw with Martinez!
Nobody will read this and care and why should they?
by Eoin_not_ian on Feb 27, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
It won’t make him any prettier, though.
If you find yourself going through Hell,
keep going.
--- Winston Churchill
Maybe to HBO!
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by Eoin_not_ian on Feb 27, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
No maybe about it, but HBO is a fickle ,mistress. Or something that sounds sort of profound.
Yeah, it’s all money, and that’s my problem with women and being nearly 60. I need a jewel-encrusted gold crown. Or more money.
If you find yourself going through Hell,
keep going.
--- Winston Churchill
I just live vicariously through him. Not really unlike Lou Dibella…
Seriously, Martinez is hands-down my favourite boxer to watch.
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by Eoin_not_ian on Feb 27, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
I have a crown just like that. I used it for a costume. =)
John Fairfax, my idol: "In Panama, he met a pirate, applied for a job as a pirate’s apprentice and was taken on."
I’m sure you looked handsome in it, too.
If you find yourself going through Hell,
keep going.
--- Winston Churchill
I fucking love this site...
Just wanted to say that – can’t think of another site where a bunch of dudes who dig boxing get to discuss the “handsomeness” of boxers without getting ripped to shreds. Best boxing site ever.
On topic – Martinez is a pretty good looking dude. Haye & Mayweather are up there too.
It is not the mountain we conquer but ourselves.
- Edmund Hillary
by Stevosaurus Rex on Feb 28, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
Make a fanpost—somebody beat you to it in the last 24 hours, no bannables yet.
Can’t for the life of me see David Haye as especially good looking, though not a mug. I read with real amazement that he was a model.
Antonio Tarver does indeed look 24 years old, but not to my mind a particularly handsome 24 yr. old, again, not mug but other than looking half his age, nothing special. Maybe different, namely more, hair would help.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Well I think he’s not quite what Roy is right now, but it’ll be interesting to see how it unfolds.
by RRod806 on Feb 27, 2012 4:22 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I like Macklin a lot. I think he’s a really good combination of movement, and an impressive arsenal of punches that he throws in large numbers.
Having said that, it seems to me that Macklin drops his left after he throws it, and drops his right before he throws it, and unless he’s patched these things up, Martinez will nail him when they happen. I also don’t think Martinez will let him cozy up close like Sturm did.
I expect a good fight, but Martinez will have Macklin gone by 6.
Also, very nice poster.
Martinez: “Hey Matt, those are they guys who stole are shirts. There are six of them; you think we can take them?”
Macklin: “Maybe we can just buy some new ones?”
If you find yourself going through Hell,
keep going.
--- Winston Churchill
Macklin: “Hey Sergio, those are the guys who stole our shirts.”
Martinez: “Que?”
by Im_a_fun_haver on Feb 27, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
nice detroit reference with St. Andrews/Shelter :)
I like Sergio…I think he wins this fight. Too bad he peaked at the wrong time with a barren division.
I’ve been to both too many times, though not in years at this point. I should get back out to Detroit. It’s a city I genuinely enjoy, in spite of its obvious issues. Greek Town is as safe as it gets, anyway. I wanted to make a comparison, and St Andrews/Shelter was the first thing that popped into mind. I Wiki-linked them so that folks who were like, “Huh?” could get the gist.
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by Scott Christ on Feb 27, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
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