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DiBella Would Want VADA Testing for Chavez vs Lee Fight

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr is under fire right now thanks to a lack of post-fight drug testing on Saturday night. (Photo by Bob Levey/Getty Images)

Promoter Lou DiBella says he's all for a fight between his man Andy Lee and WBC middleweight titlist Julio Cesar Chavez Jr, but he'd prefer to have VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Association) testing for the fight. From Rick Reeno at BoxingScene.com:

"I'm not accusing Julio Cesar Chavez Jr of anything. That simply wouldn't be fair. Is it any surprise that a guy who looks like a skeleton at a weigh-in and then gains 20 pounds, looks like King Kong and doesn't have a second of tiring - doesn't want to take an anti-doping test? I'm not saying it's a [deal-breaker], but we would prefer to use the VADA testing," DiBella told BoxingScene.com.

VADA is led by Dr. Margaret Goodman, who has an extensive history in the fight game. The company was going to be used for the February 11 fight between Victor Ortiz and Andre Berto, before Berto injured his bicep and had to pull out of the fight. Berto, like Lee, has his fights promoted by DiBella.

Obviously, this is coming up because of the apparent lack of post-fight testing of Chavez and opponent Marco Antonio Rubio on Saturday night. Rubio is very suspicious and his team is planning to file a protest.

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VADA, like USADA (which is used by Floyd Mayweather Jr), administers random testing before fights. Chavez has tested positive for a diuretic in the past, after which the WBC made a dramatic show of finding him some health professionals to find his proper fighting weight. They acted like he'd come down with some terrible illness and needed the prayers and support of the public or something. In its way, it was quite hilarious.

On that note, coincidence or not that the last time, prior to Saturday, that Chavez looked really sluggish in the ring was that fight with Troy Rowland on the Pacquiao vs Cotto undercard, after which he popped the positive test?

This whole situation really stinks. I can't help but agree with what some of you have said: If someone's going to be corrupt, could they at least try to cover it up instead of just saying, "Uh, we forgot to test! Damn. Well, see ya!"

Still, if DiBella says it isn't a deal-breaker, then what's the point of even saying this in public? I mean, if it's not a deal-breaker and the fight can be made anyway, what the hell incentive do Chavez and Top Rank have to agree to the extra testing? I guess you could say they'd prove to the public he's clean, but since when do Chavez or Top Rank care what the public thinks about Chavez?

All that said, I still don't get this claim that Chavez didn't show any stamina issues. I thought he clearly did. I thought he also clearly said he was feeling his legs give out on him in the fight. I mean, like, it's nice that Rubio thinks he didn't have stamina problems, but that doesn't make it true, no matter the circumstances surrounding the other BS.

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I’m not accusing Julio Cesar Chavez Jr of anything.
Is it any surprise that a guy who looks like a skeleton at a weigh-in and then gains 20 pounds, looks like King Kong and doesn’t have a second of tiring – doesn’t want to take an anti-doping test?

I’ve gone cross-eyed.

Share for share, share alike, you'll get struck each time I strike.

by gzl5000 on Feb 6, 2012 2:35 AM EST reply actions  

The Chavez carnival continues…

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Feb 6, 2012 3:32 AM EST reply actions  

Chavez trained by Freddy Roach?

This would be the 2nd boxer he trains to be accused……. Is this type of thing common?

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 6, 2012 3:59 AM EST reply actions  

It’s not uncommon, at all gyms and with all trainers, for their fighters to be accused. Yelling “PEDs” is the new “he took a dive.”

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Feb 6, 2012 7:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey guys, quick question.

Im working on a little project and i was wondering if any one could help.

I know now days fighters pay days depend on how many PPV they can bring in. But how did it work back in the day of Muhammad Ali? Would T.V networks offer them the majority of money based on overall views they could get?

by TheBod on Feb 6, 2012 4:58 AM EST reply actions  

sorry for the fact that this post is unrelated

by TheBod on Feb 6, 2012 4:58 AM EST up reply actions  

not an answer to your question, but you might find this worthwhile.

by Sentimental on Feb 6, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The response would be way to complicated for me to justify to myself

I’ll only say that your current view on how fighters currently earn their paydays is mistaken.

Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Feb 6, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess the question i am asking is wheather or not Ali and other big names fought on PPV in those days?

http://jse.sagepub.com/content/1/4/363.short

This is the reason i ask. I am trying to analyse this economic paper on the Economic of Profesional Boxing Contracts.

I understand that not all fighters incomes come from PPV. Its is just an assumption made in the economic model in order to show that a fighters income is related to his reputation.
I know this only really impacts top level earners such a Pac/May whose purse is guaranteed + additional PPV revenue.

by TheBod on Feb 10, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It's actually the 4th

Toney (positive), Pacquiao, the guy that is suing him and Chavez (positive in the Cotto vs Pac fight)

by boxplatino.com on Feb 6, 2012 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

interesting

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 6, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

i mean boxers do work out?

get real Chavez is professional boxer. He works out Mexican trainers don’t worry about the strength and conditioning of their boxers. its more form and brains. He has a new trainer new condition coach he is working harder, but this is America and if someone is doing good someone will find something bad.

by jonny12 on Feb 6, 2012 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

You're being a bit over the top

A silver spoon fighter

cuts 20 lbs regularly

has been caught using diuretics before

the WBC “forgot” about drug testing

Texas commission

If you have any common sense whatsoever, you can see where I’m going with this.

If not, let me spell it out for you…

Julio Cesar Chavez PROBABLY used a diuretic to cut that weight, and since it had to be used so close to the fight, it would have shown up on even the shitty boxing tests, sooooooo…

they “forgot” to administer it.

He also COULD be con some other stuff, but let’s just leave it at the obvious cheating. Thumbs up.

You’re welcome.

by Lee Payton on Feb 6, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 6, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Chavez should have demanded the test from Texas/WBC etc.

Otherwise, it taints his record. It’s not like he declined to do voluntary testing, which is one thing. He completely missed a test. When Rubio called him out on it the following day, he should have immediately driven to a facility and taken one. Then the blame looks like it falls 100% on Texas/WBC.

Is the WBC correct in stating that drug tests are not their responsibility and that it it belongs to Texas?

by rantcatrat on Feb 6, 2012 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

Well sort of. It’s not like they have to sanction the fight, but that would require the WBC to have standards and turn down money. Two things that are not going to happen anytime soon.

"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi

by Waldo Rastel on Feb 6, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

This one stinks

All the way from the DUI to the end of the fight.

The WBC is a piece of work.

"Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer"
---- Muhammed Ali

by pakinpower on Feb 6, 2012 4:06 PM EST reply actions  

DiBella still comes across as a hypocrite by selectively demanding drug testing. It suddeny became an issue for Ortiz-Berto II because he and his fighter could not accept the fact that getting sucker punched twice in the face by Floyd Mayweather could cause someone who’s gone 12 with Andre Berto to get knocked out.

I also don’t buy the idea that VADA is such a drastic improvement over. Victor Conte + sponsors paying for the testing= incentives potentially even more perverse than the joke testing commissions currently have in place.

None of this of course is to deny that what happened in Texas was a whole lot of bullshit.

by bachwards on Feb 6, 2012 11:41 PM EST reply actions  

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