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the gloves are off super middleweight must watch

2013-05-18T17:05:30Z

http://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/1efyso/the_gloves_are_off_the_super_middleweights_joe/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq74Ftz5rQM

If you haven't seen this yet, then go and watch it because it is brilliant, the fighters involved hold nothing back at all.

Also gives you *some* understanding of why Roy Jones and Collins want to fight each other, but I still think its a ridiculous idea.

Loved every minute of the show, its a brilliant idea!

Joe Calzaghe, Roy Jones, Steve Collins, Richie Woodhall and Chris Eubank open up to Johnny Nelson about the great super-middleweight era.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/1efyso/the_gloves_are_off_the_super_middleweights_joe/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq74Ftz5rQM

Joe Calzaghe, Roy Jones, Steve Collins, Richie Woodhall and Chris Eubank open up to Johnny Nelson about the great super-middleweight era.

How I scored it: Hagler v Leonard

2013-05-18T16:18:00Z

A couple weeks ago I thought it would be cool to start a new feature on here. I decided that I'd watch or re-watch famous contentious Boxing decisions and write a fanpost on BLH on how I scored the fight and allow others to discuss. If the review from the community is good, I'll keep doing it. I've decided the first fight I'm going to watch and score on here will be: Sugar Ray Leonard vs Marvin Hagler for the WBC & Ring Magazine Middleweight Championships. Hagler professes to this day he was robbed. Leonard says otherwise. How did I see it? We'll find out

Round 1 - 10-9 Leonard

This was easy. Leonard was quick, efficient, and landed punches. Hagler landed nothing of note and Leonard landed the cleaner, more effective shots. Clear round for Sugar Ray.

Round 2 - 10-9 Leonard, 20-18

Hagler landed slightly more but Leonard still was far more faster and easily landing the flush shots. Another clear round for Leonard.

Round 3 - 10-9 Leonard, 30-27.

Closest round of the fight up to that point. Hagler fought Southpaw and was able to easily cut off the ring from Leonard and won the exchanges. Second portion of the round though Leonard caught Hagler's thunder and again was quicker and landed more flush shots and just shaded the round.

Round 4 - 10-9 Leonard, 40-36

Another easy round for Leonard. To this point the fight was simple: Leonard moves, Hagler wildly misses, Leonard lands flush shots, moves, Hagler wildly misses. Easy for Sugar Ray.

Round 5 - 10-9 Hagler, 49-46 Leonard

You could see Leonard start to tire. And Hagler pounced. He found his range, cut off the ring from Leonard, and made him pay. First round for Marvelous Marvin

Round 6 - 10-9 Hagler, 58-56 Leonard

Close round. Both men seemed to tire, but Leonard seemed to be dead on his feet. Hagler slightly landed the more effective punches and just squeaked the round.

Round 7 - 10-9 Hagler, 67-66 Leonard

Leonard was visibly tired. His punches lacked snap and Hagler really found his range. Landed a lot of nice combos to the body and upstairs. Hagler's jab though ruled the round.

Round 8 - 10-9 Hagler, 76-76

There was just nothing on Leonard's punches. Hagler just walked through them and kept pounding to the body and landing several stiff jabs. Everything was going Hagler's way in the middle rounds.

Round 9 - 10-9 Hagler, 86-85

What a round. What a round. Both men gave as good as they got. Furious rallies. Hagler though just had the more snap and power on his punches and got the better of the exchanges. Into Round 10, Hagler leads on my card.

Round 10 - 10-9 Leonard, 95-95

Weird round, tough round to score. Leonard didn't land anything that hurt Hagler but Hagler just wasn't able to get off and he landed more. Weird round, tight round but in favor of Ray Leonard.

Round 11 - 10-9 Hagler, 105-104

This is where I think Hagler had reason to be upset. Hagler was the aggressor, the controller of the fight. He came forward and landed more effectively. Leonard would land a 5 punch flurry in which nothing landed. But it caught the judges eye, it got the crowd excited. The judges warmed to Leonard's effort. But he didn't land effectively. Hagler did. Hagler's round

Round 12 - 10-9 Hagler, 115-113

Similar round. Hagler was the aggressor, he was controlling the fight, he was landing the cleaner shots but Leonard's rallies which looked nice but didn't land much managed to show up better to the judges. Another Hagler round for me.

Final Scorecard: 115-113 Marvelous Marvin Hagler

Hagler after Round 4 dominated. He was the aggressor, he landed more, he walked through Leonard's punches, and Leonard's ability to land furious comeback rallies which didn't land anything managed to help him steal rounds on the judges' scorecards he didn't deserve. It was a very close fight but one that was won not because of who deserved the fight but who managed to effectively impress the judges. Hagler deserved the fight, he won it, Leonard impressed the judges. Leonard won the decision.

There you have it. My scorecard on one of the most, if not the most, controversial decision in boxing history. Discuss and give feedback in the comments and most importantly: If you enjoyed this feature, write in the comments what you would like me too do next. I'll add them all up and I'll post it next week. Discuss!

Round 1 - 10-9 Leonard

This was easy. Leonard was quick, efficient, and landed punches. Hagler landed nothing of note and Leonard landed the cleaner, more effective shots. Clear round for Sugar Ray.

Round 2 - 10-9 Leonard, 20-18

Hagler landed slightly more but Leonard still was far more faster and easily landing the flush shots. Another clear round for Leonard.

Round 3 - 10-9 Leonard, 30-27.

Round 4 - 10-9 Leonard, 40-36

Another easy round for Leonard. To this point the fight was simple: Leonard moves, Hagler wildly misses, Leonard lands flush shots, moves, Hagler wildly misses. Easy for Sugar Ray.

Round 5 - 10-9 Hagler, 49-46 Leonard

You could see Leonard start to tire. And Hagler pounced. He found his range, cut off the ring from Leonard, and made him pay. First round for Marvelous Marvin

Round 6 - 10-9 Hagler, 58-56 Leonard

Close round. Both men seemed to tire, but Leonard seemed to be dead on his feet. Hagler slightly landed the more effective punches and just squeaked the round.

Round 7 - 10-9 Hagler, 67-66 Leonard

Leonard was visibly tired. His punches lacked snap and Hagler really found his range. Landed a lot of nice combos to the body and upstairs. Hagler's jab though ruled the round.

Round 8 - 10-9 Hagler, 76-76

There was just nothing on Leonard's punches. Hagler just walked through them and kept pounding to the body and landing several stiff jabs. Everything was going Hagler's way in the middle rounds.

Round 9 - 10-9 Hagler, 86-85

Round 10 - 10-9 Leonard, 95-95

Weird round, tough round to score. Leonard didn't land anything that hurt Hagler but Hagler just wasn't able to get off and he landed more. Weird round, tight round but in favor of Ray Leonard.

Round 11 - 10-9 Hagler, 105-104

Round 12 - 10-9 Hagler, 115-113

Final Scorecard: 115-113 Marvelous Marvin Hagler

Adrien Broner's outreach to my local boxing gym

2013-05-18T03:32:27Z

I thought it was a different view than what we usually see of "The Problem." He donated new floors and bags to Old School Boxing Gym in Colorado Springs, run by Terry Buterbaugh who pulled a decent upset on the undercard of Cotto-Foreman card over Tommy Rainone. They also put up a spot on their Wall of Fame for Adrien. Go to the link and scroll down a bit to read up on it.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Old-School-Boxing-Gym/164211413732418

RingTV has updated their P4P rankings and there are some surprises.

2013-05-11T21:01:07Z

There have been some major changes made to RingTV's P4P rankings this week.

I will place RingTV's rankings from 4/22/13 on the left and the current rankings from 5/11/13 on the right in parentheses.

Floyd Mayweather (Floyd Mayweather)
Andre Ward (Andre Ward)
Juan Manuel Marquez (Juan Manuel Marquez)
Sergio Martinez (Wladimir Klitschko)
Adrien Broner (Abner Mares)
Manny Pacquiao (Adrien Broner)
Wladimir Klitschko (Sergio Martinez)
Robert Guerrero (Manny Pacquiao)
Timothy Bradley (Timothy Bradley)
Nonito Donaire (Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez)

The top 3 are the same so I want to focus on 4 through 10.

#4 Wladimir has made a huge jump from #7 to now #4, but I must ask was his latest victory that impressive to bump him up to the #4 spot? Imo no, but I'm curious to find out if people believe that he deserves the #4 spot and if so why.

#5 Mares' victory over Daniel was impressive, but I don't know if it was impressive enough to bump he from not being on the list to suddenly get the #5 spot.

#6 Broner is good but I wouldn't put him over Manny on a P4P list, I'm not even comfortable with him having being ranked this high.

#7 Sergio Martinez, no complaints here.

#8 Having Guerrero on the list in the first place was just silly, and Manny should be ranked higher than this.

#9 Bradley is still holding on to lucky #9.

#10 I'm not crazy about having Canelo as #10 but my question is, so what was his opponents ranking on a top 20 p4p list?

This list makes me wonder why is Rigondeaux not on this list, why do they keep ranking Broner so high, how did Mares suddenly become #5 on the P4P list, and why is Manny ranked so low.

What are your thoughts on RingTV's updated P4P list?

There have been some major changes made to RingTV's P4P rankings this week.

I will place RingTV's rankings from 4/22/13 on the left and the current rankings from 5/11/13 on the right in parentheses.

Floyd Mayweather (Floyd Mayweather)
Andre Ward (Andre Ward)
Juan Manuel Marquez (Juan Manuel Marquez)
Sergio Martinez (Wladimir Klitschko)
Adrien Broner (Abner Mares)
Manny Pacquiao (Adrien Broner)
Wladimir Klitschko (Sergio Martinez)
Robert Guerrero (Manny Pacquiao)
Timothy Bradley (Timothy Bradley)
Nonito Donaire (Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez)

The top 3 are the same so I want to focus on 4 through 10.

#5 Mares' victory over Daniel was impressive, but I don't know if it was impressive enough to bump he from not being on the list to suddenly get the #5 spot.

#6 Broner is good but I wouldn't put him over Manny on a P4P list, I'm not even comfortable with him having being ranked this high.

#7 Sergio Martinez, no complaints here.

#8 Having Guerrero on the list in the first place was just silly, and Manny should be ranked higher than this.

#9 Bradley is still holding on to lucky #9.

#10 I'm not crazy about having Canelo as #10 but my question is, so what was his opponents ranking on a top 20 p4p list?

This list makes me wonder why is Rigondeaux not on this list, why do they keep ranking Broner so high, how did Mares suddenly become #5 on the P4P list, and why is Manny ranked so low.

What are your thoughts on RingTV's updated P4P list?

Behavior Modification in Striking

2013-05-11T20:39:46Z

Hello all!

I made this video as part of an assignment in a psychology course, to demonstrate behavior modification as it applies to a boxing match. In this case, the bout between Andre Ward and Chad Dawson.

I had a heck of a lot of fun making this, and I thought it turned out pretty good. So, I decided to share it, and I'm hoping for some feedback, including what improvements to make in case I ever get the chance and inspiration to make another one.

Hello all!

I made this video as part of an assignment in a psychology course, to demonstrate behavior modification as it applies to a boxing match. In this case, the bout between Andre Ward and Chad Dawson.

Why does Floyd Mayweather never wears sponsors advertising on his fight outfit??

2013-05-11T17:23:35Z

Well, know this is kind of funny but actually is just the question to anybody who knows, I mean, Almost all the fighters I´ve seen have propaganda on their robes, their trunks, even painted propaganda on their body.

For example Canelo when he was against Trout had the "Corona" advertise on the belt of his trunks, and had patchs of "telmex" and all that stuff, Trout too had some advertising on his trunks but didn´t really paid attention to what was.

But I really can´t recall Floyd having any advertising at all on his fight clothes, Does anybody know why?

MMA VS. Boxing: Natural Instinct Vs. Multiple Disciplines Vs. Reality Vs. Fantasy

2013-05-10T20:33:43Z

I don't care what Jon Jones condescendingly says during a radio interview when asked about boxing and mma and whether or not one is closer to an actual real fight than the other. Reality might have something to say about Mr. Jones and his arrogant response to an otherwise run of the mill moronic answer that only a moron would ask. The truth is boxing and mma both resemble aspects of a "real fight" because in real fights I would imagine punches are thrown and take downs are a plenty. I have never seen a fight outside of maybe the light saber battles on Star Wars where punches weren't being thrown with bad intentions and the two quarreling parties didn't end up grabbing each other and going to the ground at some point.

I don't care how far in the tank you are when it comes to boxing or mixed martial arts, if you don't know how to throw a punch or aren't strong enough to keep someone from taking you to the ground, when it comes to a fight you're a screwed pooch.

You also have to take into account the natural instincts and responses that take place in a "real fight". In real fights it more resembles stages on Streets of Rage than the Octagon. What some mixed martial arts fans and fighters don't realize is that unlike the UFC, there are no unified rules in a back alley brawl or some parking lot dispute over a chick. If I see a trash can, beer bottle, a thick branch, something I can use to inflict as much pain as possible, if you as my opponent won't take that into consideration I deserve to whoop your butt based on that alone. In a "real fight" weapons are almost always expected to be at the ready whether its a convention weapon like a knife or a gun, or something improvised.

Reality allows me to ask such a question as this: Would you rather break into Mike Tyson's home or the home of Anderson Silva? A smart person would say neither. Even if Anderson Silva is a mixed martial artist and Mike Tyson is only a boxer, both know how to fight and could just as easily exercise the same level of damage to someone looking to rob their house. You can't measure those scenarios because if you know who Mike Tyson is then you know how he operates when it comes to throwing hands. Same goes for Silva, he's a very deadly individual.

You have just as slim a chance in beating Floyd Mayweather in a street fight as you do Jon Jones. It has nothing to do with what type of combat sport they're involved in and everything to do with the fact that both guys can fight period.

I'm sure over the history of the sport boxers have been involved in bar fights or wherever else you can fight outside the ring. And I'm sure said boxers were pretty confident in those situations. Like I said Jon Jones can take someone down but when that person grabs a bottle and smashes it across his head then what? Now reality kicks the door down.

We gotta stop thinking like we're in a movie or some video game. If you get into a bar fight you won't have this cleared space where you can perform clean mma techniques and just walk away unharmed. Odds are you're either going to get hurt real bad, get killed with a weapon, beaten to a bloody pulp by a large group of people, or all of the above will happen to the person you're beefing with.

This isn't a Steven Seagal movie where all the fight scenes are choreographed and the punches and kicks land exactly where the director wants them to land. Once someone grabs you and you end up on the concrete you don't know what's going to happen. You might have an idea what you want to have happen but those predetermined mental narratives you create before a fight very rarely if ever come to fruition.

A majority of street fights, aka "real fights" end in more people getting involved than first anticipated, death, or something both. You might know Judo and Muay Thai but I have yet to see a Judoka hip toss a bullet.

Jon Jones is wrong on this issue. If you're a professional fighter in general you have the inherit advantage.

Case closed.

I had to write this because for one I agree with Brent Brookhouse in what he wrote on Bloody Elbow. And two, people who follow mixed martial arts and most mixed martial artists themselves foolishly believe that if someone grabbed Floyd Mayweather or some other boxer by the shirt or tried to wrestle them down, said boxer wouldn't know how to fight back....but that's not reality now is it? Try grabbing Floyd Mayweather like there's something wrong with you and see if he won't respond in kind. You might walk away with some serious physical trauma. BECAUSE HE CAN FIGHT!!!!!!

Rant over, or a rant or debunking a stupid myth?

Jon Jones is wrong on this issue. If you're a professional fighter in general you have the inherit advantage.

Case closed.

Rant over, or a rant or debunking a stupid myth?

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2013-05-10T09:53:13Z

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Compilation of Greatest Fighters in the Last 20 Years

2013-05-09T17:45:00Z

When boxing heads get together and discuss who the greatest fighter of all time was, it is almost certain that Sugar Ray Robinson's name will emerge and end the debate. We have been counted as blessed to witness living legends grace our screen with their tremendous athleticism, knockout power, and god-like speed. I have compiled a list of technicians, in no specific order, who have gone to war in the ring within the last twenty years. Some may argue that certain boxers on the list had a deeper talent pool of opposition, but picking the best fighter is a subjective science. I did not include pugilists who had worldwide name recognition, because I felt that this is not a popularity contest (hence the exclusion of De La Hoya and Tyson). With that being said, I do look forward to how the new talent that has emerged will fair with this great pantheon of fight physicians. Once everyone on this list has officially retired, who are the top five prize fighters that will surface in heated conversation as the greatest & why? Consider their opposition, key wins, dominance, skill set, and let the debate begin.

Julio Caesar Chavez, Sr. (107-6-2): Key wins – Hector Camacho, Meldrick Taylor, and Edwin Rosario
Pernell Whitaker (40-4-1): Key wins – Azumah Nelson, Buddy McGirt, and Julio Caesar Chavez (draw)
George Foreman (76-5): Key wins – Michael Moorer, Ken Norton, and Joe Frazier
Lennox Lewis (41-2-1): Key wins – Ray Mercer, Evander Holyfield, and David Tua
Felix Trinidad (42-3): Key wins – Oscar De La Hoya, William Joppy, and Pernell Whitaker
Marco Antonio Barrera (67-7-0-1): Key wins – Naseem Hamed, Johnny Tapia, and Erik Morales
Nigel Benn (42-5-1): Key wins – Iran Barkley, Gerald McClellan, and Chris Eubank (draw)
Roberto Duran (103-16): Key wins – Iran Barkley, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Davey Moore
Ricardo Lopez (51-0-1): Key wins – Alex Sanchez, Rosendo Alvarez, and Will Grigsby
Sugar Ray Leonard (36-3-1): Key wins- Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns, Marvin Hagler
Floyd Mayweather Jr. (44-0): Key wins – Diego Corrales, Miguel Cotto, and Oscar De La Hoya
Jose Luis Castillo (64-12): Key wins – Diego Corrales, Stevie Johnston, and Joel Casamayor
Juan Manuel Marquez (55-6-1): Key Wins – Manny Pacquiao, Marco Antonio Barrera, and Joel Casamayor
Erik Morales (52-9): Key wins – Junior Jones, Marco Antonio Barrera, and Manny Pacquiao
Manny Pacquiao (54-5-2): Key wins – Marco Antonio Barrera, Juan Manuel Marquez, and Erik Morales
Thomas Hearns (61-5-1): Key wins – Roberto Duran, Wilfred Benitez, Sugar Ray Leonard (draw)
Evander Holyfield (44-10-2-1): Key wins – Buster Douglas, Michael Moorer, and Mike Tyson
James Toney (74-7-3-2): Key wins – Iran Barkley, Mike McCallum, and Evander Holyfield
Bernard Hopkins (53-6-2-2): Key wins – Felix Trinidad, Kelly Pavlik, and Jean Pascal
Roy Jones Jr. (55-8): Key wins – Bernard Hopkins, James Toney, Virgil Hill

Julio Caesar Chavez, Sr. (107-6-2): Key wins – Hector Camacho, Meldrick Taylor, and Edwin Rosario
Pernell Whitaker (40-4-1): Key wins – Azumah Nelson, Buddy McGirt, and Julio Caesar Chavez (draw)
George Foreman (76-5): Key wins – Michael Moorer, Ken Norton, and Joe Frazier
Lennox Lewis (41-2-1): Key wins – Ray Mercer, Evander Holyfield, and David Tua
Felix Trinidad (42-3): Key wins – Oscar De La Hoya, William Joppy, and Pernell Whitaker
Marco Antonio Barrera (67-7-0-1): Key wins – Naseem Hamed, Johnny Tapia, and Erik Morales
Nigel Benn (42-5-1): Key wins – Iran Barkley, Gerald McClellan, and Chris Eubank (draw)
Roberto Duran (103-16): Key wins – Iran Barkley, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Davey Moore
Ricardo Lopez (51-0-1): Key wins – Alex Sanchez, Rosendo Alvarez, and Will Grigsby
Sugar Ray Leonard (36-3-1): Key wins- Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns, Marvin Hagler
Floyd Mayweather Jr. (44-0): Key wins – Diego Corrales, Miguel Cotto, and Oscar De La Hoya
Jose Luis Castillo (64-12): Key wins – Diego Corrales, Stevie Johnston, and Joel Casamayor
Juan Manuel Marquez (55-6-1): Key Wins – Manny Pacquiao, Marco Antonio Barrera, and Joel Casamayor
Erik Morales (52-9): Key wins – Junior Jones, Marco Antonio Barrera, and Manny Pacquiao
Manny Pacquiao (54-5-2): Key wins – Marco Antonio Barrera, Juan Manuel Marquez, and Erik Morales
Thomas Hearns (61-5-1): Key wins – Roberto Duran, Wilfred Benitez, Sugar Ray Leonard (draw)
Evander Holyfield (44-10-2-1): Key wins – Buster Douglas, Michael Moorer, and Mike Tyson
James Toney (74-7-3-2): Key wins – Iran Barkley, Mike McCallum, and Evander Holyfield
Bernard Hopkins (53-6-2-2): Key wins – Felix Trinidad, Kelly Pavlik, and Jean Pascal
Roy Jones Jr. (55-8): Key wins – Bernard Hopkins, James Toney, Virgil Hill

Coining A New Boxing Term: Assistance Required

2013-05-08T02:53:53Z

In Scott's piece No. 1: Does Floyd Mayweather really want the job, or just the title? he wrote the following:

"Floyd takes a look at the Tim Bradley and Juan Manuel Marquez fights last year, and says, "See? I told you Pacquiao can't beat me, and now we all know that." That doesn't mean people were wrong to want to see the two best fighters in the sport for a good, long while face off. And it doesn't mean they shouldn't have. And it certainly doesn't mean that Floyd Mayweather beat Manny Pacquiao."

I thought this was an interesting insight: One boxer claiming victory over another based upon not actually fighting him but on how they performed against similar foes.

The first thought that popped in my head when I saw this headline a couple days later - Julio Cesar Chavez Jr challenges Martin Murray for August 3 - was that JCCJr wanted to be able to state a similar victory over Sergio Martinez if their rematch never came to fruition and he beat/did better against Murray.

As I think this phenomenon may become a trend in professional boxing a term should be coined to describe it.

I'm not that good at this sort of thing, especially with the snappy wording that is required, but I think the folks at BLH, many of whom are much more clever than I, can assist.

I would define what Scott described as: To suggest victory over an opponent in a fight that never occurred due to winning/doing better against a mutual opponent.

My opening suggestions for a term are:

Absentee Victory
VBP (Victory By Presumption)

That's all I got. Anyone help out? Suggestions welcome for the definition and the term.

In Scott's piece No. 1: Does Floyd Mayweather really want the job, or just the title? he wrote the following:

I thought this was an interesting insight: One boxer claiming victory over another based upon not actually fighting him but on how they performed against similar foes.

As I think this phenomenon may become a trend in professional boxing a term should be coined to describe it.

I'm not that good at this sort of thing, especially with the snappy wording that is required, but I think the folks at BLH, many of whom are much more clever than I, can assist.

I would define what Scott described as: To suggest victory over an opponent in a fight that never occurred due to winning/doing better against a mutual opponent.

My opening suggestions for a term are:

Absentee Victory
VBP (Victory By Presumption)

That's all I got. Anyone help out? Suggestions welcome for the definition and the term.

Mayweather-Khan Would Be My Choice for Floyd's Next Fight

2013-05-07T21:55:32Z

There's no other established, credible British star below 168 that could make a fight with Floyd Mayweather one of the biggest events on both sides of the pond. Amir Khan is what he is at this point in his career, a lightening fast combination puncher with great potential and a questionable chin to go along with question defensive intelligence. Roy Jones once said Khan had the style best suited to beat Floyd Mayweather and at the time of Khan's success (a good bit of 2011) I had serious questions about Mayweather dealing with a guy like Amir Khan.

I've been a Khan detractor in the past but after getting sparked by Danny Garcia and having his world seemingly crumble to his feet I've grown more sympathetic toward Amir, dare I say I sort of root for his comeback.

Johnny Nelson wants Floyd Mayweather to fight Kell Brook but what's the logic in that? Khan brings more money, Khan is under the same promotional umbrella, and Amir Khan has a better argument to make as to why he should fight Floyd Mayweather in the UK than Kell Brook does who by the way has yet to challenge and win his first world title or even face someone in the top ten in the world at 147lbs.

Kell Brook does not deserve a fight with Floyd Mayweather, especially if you factor in Devon Alexander, Timothy Bradley, or Andre Berto not getting their chance at the Pound 4 Pound champion. So no Kell Brook has to earn his shot, just because Floyd might fight in the UK doesn't mean you just give any British welterweight a shot. In that case I suppose Denton Vassell, Frankie Gavin, and Lee Purdy deserve a shot at Floyd Mayweather as Kell Brook. Brook is the best welterweight in Great Britain but we have yet to find out whether or not he's one of the best welterweights in the world. At least Amir Khan and can claim that at one time he was the best junior welterweight in the world, and is still one of the top ten best at 140.

If this fight does happen and I really hope it does before Floyd thinks about fighting Canelo, it would put to bed any news of bad PPV numbers coming out of last Saturday's clash with Robert Guerrero. Khan has a fan base whereas Robert Guerrero is basically a really good fighter who unfortunately know one really cares about inside the ring.

The conventional pick among boxing fans and media is Mayweather-Alvarez but I just don't see the need to push that fight right now.

Mayweather-Khan:

September ?, 2013

Wembley Stadium

This fight would sell out Wembley Stadium, what do you guys think? Should Golden Boy make Mayweather-Khan or Mayweather-Canelo next?

Me personally I just believe Khan would be the better option and I would give Floyd a real hard time. Maybe not beat him, but I don't see Amir Khan getting wiped out like some people are saying he would.

The conventional pick among boxing fans and media is Mayweather-Alvarez but I just don't see the need to push that fight right now.

Mayweather-Khan:

September ?, 2013

Wembley Stadium

This fight would sell out Wembley Stadium, what do you guys think? Should Golden Boy make Mayweather-Khan or Mayweather-Canelo next?

The current P4P rankings according to RingTV and ESPN!

2013-05-07T19:20:49Z

I want to talk about RingTV's P4P rankings and ESPN's.

RingTV (4/22/13) & ESPN (5/7/13)

ESPN's rankings will be in parentheses

Floyd Mayweather Jr. (Floyd Mayweather Jr.)
Andre Ward (Andre Ward)
Juan Manuel Marquez (Juan Manuel Marquez)
Sergio Martinez (Manny Pacquiao)
Adrien Broner (Sergio Martinez)
Manny Pacquiao (Guillermo Rigondeaux)
Wladimir Klitschko (Wladimir Klitschko)
Robert Guerrero (Nonito Donaire)
Timothy Bradley (Timothy Bradley)
Nonito Donaire (Abner Mares)

The top 3 are the same so I want to focus on 4 through 10.

#4 Manny or Sergio? I can see why ESPN placed Manny at number 4 after Sergio's less than stellar performance against Murray. Since the Sergio fight happened after RingTV's current ranking they might drop Sergio to #5 as well.

#5 Broner or Sergio? I'm going to have to side with ESPN on this one. Even though Broner is impressive and has talent that is undeniable, I believe Sergio has done more to earn the #5 spot than Broner. There are certain people I want to see Broner beat before I put him anywhere near the top 5 P4P list.

#6 Manny vs Rigondeaux? Since I place Manny higher than #6 ESPN giving Rigondeux the #6 spot is not a bad thing. But then it begs the question of whether or not he should be ranked higher than Wladimir?

#7 They both agree on this one.

#8 Guerrero vs Donaire? I don't agree with RingTV on this one. I do have a feeling that Guerrero's stock will drop for RingTV once they update their rankings. Sure Guerrero beat Berto and Aydin, but I think most people knew that he was nowhere near Floyd's level. Since Guerrero was the mandatory he got the fight he wanted then outclassed in the ring. I would place Donaire at the the eight spot before even thinking about Guerrero.

#9 They both agree on this one.

#10 Donaire vs Mares? This one is very tricky, but since RingTV has Rigondeaux didn't even crack their top 10 list I disagree with them giving Donaire the #10 spot. Rigondeaux outclassed Donaire while giving him a boxing lesson, and if Donaire is #10 then Rigondeux has to at least be #9 and get Guerrero off of that list. Mares' victory was impressive and I can see why ESPN gave him the #10 spot, but for me if I had to place him I would say #11 or tied for #10 with Donaire.

I want to talk about RingTV's P4P rankings and ESPN's.

RingTV (4/22/13) & ESPN (5/7/13)

ESPN's rankings will be in parentheses

Floyd Mayweather Jr. (Floyd Mayweather Jr.)
Andre Ward (Andre Ward)
Juan Manuel Marquez (Juan Manuel Marquez)
Sergio Martinez (Manny Pacquiao)
Adrien Broner (Sergio Martinez)
Manny Pacquiao (Guillermo Rigondeaux)
Wladimir Klitschko (Wladimir Klitschko)
Robert Guerrero (Nonito Donaire)
Timothy Bradley (Timothy Bradley)
Nonito Donaire (Abner Mares)

The top 3 are the same so I want to focus on 4 through 10.

#7 They both agree on this one.

#9 They both agree on this one.

Does it really matter that you are an undefeated fighter?

2013-05-01T20:53:27Z

It has happened again, I speak to friends or acquaintances and without fail they bring up a fighter’s undefeated record as a line of defense to decipher how good the boxer is. We all know how it goes, Floyd says, "43 have tried and 43 have failed" and Adrien Broner with an air of confidence replies to Guerrero during a face off on Youtube, "I still got my 0, I still got my 0". Thank God that Canelo and Ward won’t boast, but my friends and their fans proudly do so for them. Does it really matter? Shouldn't we consider their fearlessness, excitement, and brilliance in the ring regardless of the outcome? Perfect picture to recall such an occasion is Rios vs Alvarado or Bradley vs Provodnikov leaving all of us breathless. My case before them and to someone else today was for them to consider these fighter’s records (along with the two undefeated ones).

JM Marquez: 55 (40) – 6 -1

Manny Pacquiao: 54 (38) – 5 – 2

Bernard Hopkins: 53 (32) – 2 -2

Vitali Klitschko: 45 (41) – 2

W. Klitschko: 59 (50) – 3

Joe Calzaghe: 46 (32) – 0

Floyd Mayweather Jr 43 (26) - 0

I will re-post a response I gave earlier to continue the conversation:

Being an undefeated boxer does not tell all we need to know about a fighter’s superiority or level of greatness. There is more merit in fighting mandatories, top ranked competitors, and having a handful of losses then "the other option". You will probably do your diligent work to analyze Calzaghe’s career saying "who is that" or "that guy is past his prime". The same can be said about Pretty Boy Floyd’s resume… True merit goes to those who fought them all — win, lose, or draw. Bernard Hopkins, 53 (32) - 2 -2, will be my example for this case. He made 20 successful defenses of his middleweight title, cleaned out his division, and holds an impressive resume (an undefeated Glen Johnson, Antwun Echols, De La Hoya, Trinidad, Joppy, & Pavlik). Losses (similar to his) that come from top tier fighters in their prime are badges of honor, not blemishes.

JM Marquez: 55 (40) – 6 -1

Manny Pacquiao: 54 (38) – 5 – 2

Bernard Hopkins: 53 (32) – 2 -2

Vitali Klitschko: 45 (41) – 2

W. Klitschko: 59 (50) – 3

Joe Calzaghe: 46 (32) – 0

Floyd Mayweather Jr 43 (26) - 0

I will re-post a response I gave earlier to continue the conversation:

Floyd Mayweather's legacy and its impact on this era of boxing

2013-05-01T14:43:19Z

Floyd Mayweather’s 30-month contract with CBS/Showtime marks not only the probable retirement of the greatest fighter of the current generation of boxing but the definitive end to the entire era in the sport. With this point drawing closer it is clear that the legacy of the current period will be largely determined by how Floyd Mayweather, its best fighter, is remembered.

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For so long we have refrained from lavishing Floyd Mayweather with the superlatives his perfect record might suggest he deserves citing either relative lack of exciting fights, doubts over how he would react to being thoroughly tested, his choice of opponents, his often abrasive persona or, of course, the lack of a fight with Manny Pacquiao. Yet as the years have gone by and he maintains his perfect professional record it becomes harder and harder to make any such excuses stick.

Sure, his fights aren't exactly the epic battles that litter Pacquiao’s back catalogue but it's clear that Floyd makes a conscious choice to avoid such fights and if anything, his ability to make such an approach work indicates just how superior to his peers he really is. Yes, we could debate his selection of opponents and the timing of certain fights but whichever way you look at it he has fought many of the world’s best and most notable of all, he has made it look pretty easy.

As may once again be the case for this weekend's fight with Guerrero, his opponents enter the fight as legitimate and dangerous challengers but leave outclassed, prompting observers to highlight all the reasons said rival was just another easy choice for Mayweather. After 43 fights and 17 years in the sport this is no longer a valid criticism.

Mayweather’s opponents are not bums, he just makes them seem that way.

Arguably it is Mayweather’s divisive personality that has made the boxing world less inclined to give him the credit it is becoming increasingly clear he deserves. His fixation on money, pay-per-view sales and his public persona has made it difficult for fans to relate and unlike more fan-friendly fighters such as Manny Pacquiao, Floyd does not embody the romantic notions of boxing to the same extent.

Yet as this generation in boxing nears its end, we find ourselves more eager to extend Mayweather the accolades we have hitherto denied him. This may simply be a result of the gradual invalidation of the claims against him but it I would argue that with the era coming to a close, we realize he is the generation's best candidate for a truly great fighter. Without which, the stature of the entire era comes under question.

We desperately hoped it was to be Manny Pacquiao. Turns out he may fall just short.

Clearly the last ten years has showcased some wonderful fighters; make your own list. Yet, when we talk about truly exceptional fighters, truly great fighters, there are but a select couple. If Mayweather manages to see out the coming two and half years without spoiling his record there can be no argument as to who sits atop the current crop.

I may be alone in feeling that given how close Mayweather is to the end of his career and the fact that his perfect record and shot at true greatness remain intact, there is, for almost the first time, a part of me that hopes he continues to blow his opponents out of the water.

In many ways, an entire generation depends upon it.

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Mayweather’s opponents are not bums, he just makes them seem that way.

We desperately hoped it was to be Manny Pacquiao. Turns out he may fall just short.

In many ways, an entire generation depends upon it.

Andre Ward thinks he can beat a Klitschko....

2013-04-30T11:08:56Z

I think most of us would agree that as Matt McGrain put it in this article, Andre Ward: I Can Beat A Klitschko, "either Klitschko would dynamite his ass back to the super-middleweight division with impunity."

Ward did go on to say that winning a title at heavyweight would be a matter of fighting the "right" heavyweight, which when I think about it, is probably most of them bar the Klitschko's.

What to do you guys think? Could/would Ward climb through LHW and Cruiser winning titles in each and nab one at HW too?

I thought it's a pretty interesting topic for discussion regardless of how ridiculous it may seem at this point in time.

The video for this interview with Ward and ESNews. And yeah don't worry, Elie's not even in it.