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Bad Left Hook Fight Night: Juan Manuel Marquez v. Manny Pacquiao II

MAIN EVENT
For The Ring Magazine and WBC Super Featherweight Titles
JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ
(48-3-1, 35 KO, Mexico City, Mexico)
versus
MANNY PACQUIAO
(45-3-2, 35 KO, General Santos City, Philippines)

For the WBO Featherweight Title
STEVEN LUEVANO
(34-1, 15 KO, Los Angeles, CA)
versus
TERDSAK JANDAENG
(29-2-1, 19 KO, Tasae, Thailand)

ABNER MARES
(15-0, 9 KO, Montebello, CA, by way of Guadalajara, Mexico)
versus
DIOSDADO GABI
(30-3-1, 21 KO, Davao City, Philippines)

DAVID DIAZ
(33-1-1, 17 KO, Chicago, IL)
versus
RAMON MONTANO
(15-4-2, 1 KO, Las Vegas, NV, by way of Ciudad Obregon, Mexico)

We've talked up the main event, and you already know what that's about. I'm sticking with my gut, though I'm maybe 55% confident in the pick: Marquez via tight unanimous decision

Let's take a quick look at the PPV televised undercard.

Steven Luevano v. Terdsak Jandaeng
Hearing Michael Buffer say "Terdsak" is going to be a highlight of the night, I believe. Luevano was last seen dominating Antonio Davis on the undercard of Pacquiao-Barrera II in October, and this seems like a very similar matchup, to be honest. Luevano isn't going to make you forget the all-time great featherweights, but he was a class above Davis and I suspect he'll be a class above Jandaeng as well. Luevano in a unanimous decision rout

Abner Mares v. Diosdado Gabi
Mares, 22, is a good prospect with some solid stepping stone developmental-type of wins. Gabi, 28, is a past Vic Darchinyan victim, falling in the 8th round against the ex-flyweight champion in 2006. After that, he proceeded to knockout Mauricio Pastrana in the first round in his debut at 115, and has now jumped all the way up to 118 pounds. Mares has to be considered the favorite, and this is a PPV showcase for his skills. But, to Harold Lederman it up for you briefly, I gotta tell ya somethin': this one smells heavily like upset city. Gabi is a more experienced fighter, has been in with good fighters, and he's a southpaw. I rarely go off and call upsets of this magnitude, but I'm feeling it with this one. Gabi via decision

David Diaz v. Ramon Montano
The question has been asked. "Who the hell is Ramon Montano, and why is the WBC lightweight champion fighting him in a non-title bout after being inactive since August?" This is a Top Rank publicity stunt -- get Diaz an easy win on PPV, and set up Diaz-Pacquiao for this summer. But all things considered, Diaz is no special talent. He's a tough son of a bitch and an enjoyable fighter to watch because he actually comes to fight, but Montano is sort of a Jesse Feliciano-type of guy, a possible fly in the ointment. Not a pretty record, and that's no typo -- he has one career knockout. But he has sparred with some excellent fighters, and he also deserved a win over Dmitriy Salita in their 2006 draw, a really bogus decision. But I won't call the upset here. I'm just saying, don't be shocked if Diaz-Pacquiao doesn't look attractive at all after tonight. Diaz via TKO

The show starts live at 9PM ET, and the non-televised undercard bouts will be streaming at Yahoo! and ESPN360 in just moments. I'm going to watch those, but probably not score them. Settle in for a great night of boxing with us! We'll be scoring the PPV fights round-by-round in the comments below.

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first fight
Byron "Buddy" Tyson (9-0-1, 4 KO) v. Esau Herrera (13-3, 6 KO)
Junior Middleweights

Tyson looks like the better fighter through two of the six rounds. Herrera is a Nacho Beristain guy.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Buddy Tyson
Throws a lot of chopping rights. Both of them have some lunging issues.

Third round looks better for Herrera. Doug Fischer and whoever is doing PBP both think Tyson looks tired already. I agree.

I love empty arena fights.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 7:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

night's first knockdown
Tyson goes down on a slip, but guess what, right hand hit him. So that's a knockdown. Tyson loudly complains.

My opinion has changed. Herrera is much better.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oof
That's a weird knockdown to call. The punch hit him on the glove on a better angle, and Tyson tripped up. But hey.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

for the record, too
The Yahoo stream is awful. The commentary is fun and it's a great idea, but there are lots of technical problems. For instance my stream tried to go back to round three when round five began.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 7:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

went the full six
Entertaining little scrap. I like Herrera as the winner, but also can't say as though I really, you know, care.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re:
57-56 Tyson
57-57
57-57

Majority draw.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

missed the second fight
Michael Farenas TKO-3 Baudel Cardenas

Featherweights

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 8:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

third fight
19-year old Danny Garcia TKO-1 tomato can Charles Wade

Nice left hook to end it. Garcia is 4-0 and has yet to go past the second round.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 8:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re:
I think that does it for the untelevised undercard. The 114 people in the building already have some time to waste.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PRAISE THE LORD
Pay-per-view is working, and we will be LIVE tonight!

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

man, I am pumped
I rarely get THIS excited for a fight. The storyline is deep, the fight is made to be great, and I really have no idea who's going to win. You can make a good case, easily, for both men. Matchups this excellent don't come down the pipe very often, even in this newfound golden age of great matchups.

And it doesn't hurt that the preview show keeps repeating that great Lampley line at the end of the first fight's first round: "Manny Pacquiao is a storm!"

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 8:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Diaz-Montano
That's going to be at 140 pounds.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

both weighed in at 136
Diaz at 149 tonight, Montano 145.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 9:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

David Diaz
The guy looks like Generic Pug #5 training in a gym in a Rocky movie. Not sayin' -- just sayin'.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 9:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Diaz-Montano R1
Nice little counter left from Montano is the first significant punch to land. Diaz keeps coming in, then sticks in a good looking straight left. Montano pops him with a pretty left hook that Diaz never saw coming.

Montano pops away with a four-punch combo, most of it blocked, but the last shot landed to the body. Diaz looks like the slower puncher so far, but he might just not be loosened up yet. Montano keeps sticking in some really nice counter shots.

Diaz with two short little uppercuts in a clinch, but Montano keeps beating Diaz to the punch, and he's winning this round. If he had any power, he'd REALLY be winning the round.

There's a nice right hook from Diaz. Fine opening round to start the night proper.

Montano 10-9

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Diaz-Montano R2
I'll tell you right now -- that Diaz right hook looks like it'll be the difference maker.

Montano comes out throwing. He's getting an opportunity tonight and doing his damnedest to take advantage of it, as he very well should. He doesn't know he's only supposed to lose, apparently.

Diaz eats another quick left, kind of an awkward punch -- sort of looping, but didn't loop.

There's that right hook again. They're really winging some leather and making a fight of this.

Diaz occasionally lands first, and Montano is hitting him back every time. How do you score power when Diaz is so clearly being hit more?

Diaz catches him a little bit with a right hand to the forehead. Right lands again for Diaz at the tail of a three-punch combo. Montano is landing more, but Diaz IS landing the better shots. That's going to make a difference. Montano can be tough, but he's already eaten a few square shots, and he's going to wear down some over the next eight rounds. It's science.

Diaz 10-9
19-19

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm..
It seems to me as if Diaz's punches aren't really hurting Montano too much.  I have it even as well.

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re:
The thing Lampley and Co. are ignoring is that Diaz isn't much of a puncher, either.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 9:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Diaz-Montano R3
I like Diaz's standing in the corner gimmick. That's always fun.

Diaz really is better than you might notice at first on the defensive side. The first half of this round has really shown that. They are throwing a lot of punches, not a lot is really landing hard, but this is an enjoyable PPV opener.

Accidental headbutt, no real stop.

Nice left uppercut from Diaz, then a left down the pipe lands, too. He's starting to bust Montano up a little bit. Good right from Montano before the bell.

Diaz 10-9
Diaz 29-28

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Diaz-Montano R4
Now they're getting into a trench war, trading in tight. Uppercut from Diaz snaps Montano's head back a little. Trade of hooks. Inside, Diaz is going to dominate. Or is he? Montano starts scoring. Boy they aren't moving at all. This is two guys standing and punching. It's not exactly rousing, but I'll take it.

Nice 1-2 from Diaz, ended with a hard right hook. Montano with a left hook, and his punches just have nothing on them right now.

Merchant: "It's a little odd, having a guy who holds a lightweight title, fighting the first fight."
Lampley: "Yes. Setting the stage for Abner Mares?"

Mares is a good fighter, but Lampley's delivery there was really funny.

Diaz 10-9
Diaz 39-37

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 9:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Diaz-Montano R5
Manny's arrival on TV gets a big reaction from the crowd. They are going to be rocking for the main event, guaranteed.

Nice stiff jab from Diaz knocks Montano back. Montano is trying to fight more from a distance this round, which is probably a really good idea. He cannot beat Diaz on the inside.

Montano badly misses a lunging left hook. Slower round than the first four. Two hard shots from Diaz, then a hard right uppercut. Diaz is really starting to score with big shots now. Good shots to the body, then a straight left from Diaz.

Montano is kind of a neat fighter. A niche fighter, if you will. I'm really liking him, in the way that you really like someone that isn't ever going to be a world title guy or close to it. You know, how some people go apeshit for Darnell Wilson.

Diaz 10-9
Diaz 49-46

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 9:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Diaz-Montano R6
Montano's trainer is all over his case.

Hurrld has the same score.

Lead right from Montano. He's backpedaling a lot more now, and he's got himself against the ropes. I don't think that's what he wants. But he fights out.

And goes to the other side of the ring to stand by the ropes. Good job!

Diaz is trying to work the uppercuts more, when really he could win this fight with just about anything. Diaz sticks him a few times against the ropes, though Montano, God bless him, is still trying to fight.

Right back to the ropes. Diaz continues to rock Montano's head back repeatedly, but Montano doesn't seem terribly hurt by anything. He's a tough young man, give him that.

This is pretty much a formality. If I were David Diaz, though, I'd be really trying to do something sensational. It'd be easier to sell Diaz-Pacquiao, potentially, if Pacquiao wasn't fighting a guy who just went 10 rounds with a nobody like Roman Montano.

Diaz 10-9
Diaz 59-55

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 9:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Score
I have it 58-56 Diaz.

This sounds odd, but even though it's a fairly good fight, and both guys are landing, I'm pretty bored with it.  Perhaps it's the lack of punching power, perhaps the lack of boxing ability.  

In any case, I think Pacquiao kills Diaz.

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re:
I think it's just that we all know this fight means nothing, really. Diaz could've just as easily sat around and waited for Pacquiao. This is just shaking off ring rust against an extremely hand-picked opponent.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 9:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re
Though the people who hand-picked him might not be so pleased with their pick right about now.  Diaz is winning, but it's not by a landslide, and he's not looking spectacular.

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 9:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah
He can't punch, but he's a perfectly fine boxer, looks like he has a fine chin, and again, it's not like David Diaz is some thunderous puncher.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 9:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Diaz-Montano R7
You know, I'm glad this fight doesn't suck and all that, but this really has no business on PPV. I'm done for the most part of making a big deal out of complaining about these shitty mismatch-filled undercards, because no one's going to change the formula, but I can't help but shake the feeling that I paid $50 tonight, and part of that $50, in essence, was to see one of boxing's most lightly-regarded recognized alphabet soup champions fight a fucking sparring partner.

And this is another routine round where Diaz does score enough good shots to win, but isn't at all overwhelming a guy that, on paper, the WBC lightweight champion should have spanked by now.

They might want to consider putting Diaz-Pacquiao, if it happens, on regular old HBO.

Pretty good round, both guys landed some good shots. Actually, I thought Montano won that one.

Montano 10-9
Diaz 68-65

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Diaz-Montano R8
Right hook from Diaz. Uppercut from Diaz. Left from Diaz.

Blah blah from Diaz, blah blah from Diaz. Montano wings his hands around, lands little, and when he does he might as well be tickling Diaz.

Montano is not a bad fighter, and this is not a bad fight. But it's just so academic. And Diaz not being able to really hurt Montano to a major degree is pretty damning for trying to sell him as a big-time main event fighter.

Diaz 10-9
Diaz 78-74

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One thing's for sure
If this fight is showing me anything it's that Erik Morales made a very good decision in retiring, and should not fight again.  A prime Erik Morales would've swept the floor with this guy.

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 9:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re:
Yep. A prime Morales would've made Diaz look like Bobby Boy Velardez.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 9:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Diaz-Montano R9
Hurrld has it 79-73.

There's a big hard left hand from Diaz, and a right comes on its heels. That took about two minutes of routine round-winning from Diaz for us to get to that point. Diaz really does kind of NEED a knockout. He wins either way, but jeez. Let it roll, you're not going to get knocked out by this guy.

Diaz 10-9
Diaz 88-83

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Meh...
I'm going to the corner to pick up a sandwich.  Hopefully I'll be back in time to see Abner Mares box his way to a UD against Gabi!  OMG!  I can't wait!

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ole!
Nice move by Cortez with the tape!

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Diaz-Montano R10
It's not even like Montano came in here with the mindset of, "Gosh, I just wanna make it 10 rounds with the lightweight champ." He came in and fought. Diaz has hit him with his best punches. Diaz just isn't much of a puncher.

Larry says it's only pride keeping Montano up at this point. I think it's pride and the fact that Diaz isn't anything special. At all. Like Kevin said, a prime Morales would've smoked Diaz. Diaz is top 10 in the division, but this fight is not scoring points in his favor if you ask me.

Someone has got to get Larry's mic away from his nose. He's breathing pretty heavy.

Montano's mouthpiece gets knocked out, and then his wrist tape dies.

Joe Cortez gets a HUGE ovation for grabbing Montano's wrist tape and ripping it off without stopping the fight. He waits for a clinch to give him the mouthpiece back. Goddamn, that is some slick shit from Joe. Wonderful stuff.

Diaz 10-9
Diaz 98-92

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Decision
I think Cortez won that fight.

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DIAZ-MONTANO OFFICIAL DECISION
Harold had it 99-91, for the record.

Robert Hoyle: 97-93
Dave Moretti: 99-91
Glenn Trowbridge: 95-95

DAVID DIAZ VIA MAJORITY DECISION

I have no clue how Trowbridge scored it 95-95.

Lampley: "Hm."
Steward: "Hoooo."

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what the fuck
Manny Pacquiao is sitting by himself in the middle of a room in a big wicker chair.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mares-Gabi weights
Mares came in at 117, 123 tonight.

Gabi came in at 119 1/2...and he's 135 tonight. That's a red flag. A Paul Williams red flag.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mares
I'm not on the Mares bandwagon just yet.  He's a fine prospect, but he's failed to impress me.  I'm not quite sure if he's got it in him to be as 'spectacular' as Oscar and GBP make him out to be.  That said, I think he'll win an UD tonight... let's see how he looks.

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mares-Gabi R1
Referee: Jay Nady
Judges: Adalaide Byrd, Dick Houck, Chuck Giampa

Hooks come from both sides, and Gabi looks like he really felt like that one. Gabi is pressing so far, and he really wants to make this a fight. That's not so much Mares' style.

Left stuck in from Gabi.

This is a really sloppy, awkward fight so far.

BIG right from Mares, and Gabi staggers to the ropes. 35 seconds left in the round. Big right lands again, and Gabi is just trying to stay away now. This all happened just as Jim was going to launch into a tirade about Sultan Ibragimov, it seemed.

Mares 10-9 -- kind of stole it

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mares-Gabi R2
Short right hand, and Gabi goes down.

This is ugly. Gabi is not in shape, and not mentally there.

Mares is now unloading on him with hard shots. Gabi goes down again.

Jay Nady stops it. Gabi really had no business being in there gaining 16 pounds overnight. That's not good for anyone.

ABNER MARES TKO-2

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well..
So much for my words!  Mares looked rather impressive.  I'm only happy that those guys at the corner were so quick with the sandwich.  I could've missed it, otherwise.

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

God
"Still NABO champion!" Shut up with that shit. Abner Mares is as much of a champion as I am. I'm not blaming Mares, I'd take a belt if someone wanted to give me one, too.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sorry
But Lampley saying "Turd suck" is not going to stop being funny.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luevano-Jandaeng weights
Both came in at 126, Luevano is 139 and Jandaeng 138 tonight.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 10:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

refs & judges
Referee: Robert Byrd
Judges: C.J. Ross, Dick Flahery, and Paul Smith

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 10:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luevano-Jandaeng R1
Snapping jab from Luevano. Short little right Luevano lands. He wants to keep the fight at distance, countering Jandaeng's charges really well so far.

HUGE left hand from Luevano stuns Jandaeng. Hard right to the body from Jandaeng as he recovers well from the big shot. Actually, I don't know why Luevano didn't follow up on that left hand. He could've possibly closed the show.

Jandaeng is eating jabs with his hands really low, looking to fly in and land a big shot. Jandaeng is boxing like a predator so far -- Luevano is countering by staying back, avoiding the charges, and popping Jandaeng with nice counter shots.

If Jandaeng lands on one of those charges, though, it could get really interesting.

Luevano 10-9

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 10:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luevano-Jandaeng R2
Luevano continues to stay back and wait on Terdsak. That sounds like a shot at Luevano, but it's not. It's exactly what he should be doing.

Jandaeng is now starting to land a few shots, and Luevano doesn't look like he wants anything to do with THAT. There was one point where Luevano actually sort of tried to slap him away.

There's a cut over Jandaeng's right eye.

Tough round to score, I thought.

Luevano 10-9
Luevano 20-18

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 10:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luevano-Jandaeng R3
Jandaeng is now trying to work his way in a little slower, accepting that he's going to have to get hit to hit Luevano. Manny sums it up nicely: "He's gettin' hit anyway."

Luevano is now just peppering him with the jab, and that's about the only punch he's throwing. I don't know why people are so excited to see Luevano fight Robert Guerrero. Luevano is fairly dull. Good fighter, but hardly exciting. He seems to fear Jandaeng's power more than he did that of Antonio Davis, which means I doubt we're going to see any knockdowns. Luevano is a much better technical boxer than Jandaeng, and that adds  up to this being, you know, boring.

Which it has been so far, to be honest.

Wow, Lampley talking about Vazquez-Marquez III (they have highlights) and he actually went ahead and said "Showtime." That's fairly rare.

Luevano 10-9
Luevano 30-27

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 10:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luevano-Jandaeng R4
Luevano keeps throwing the jab out there and dominating. Jandaeng doesn't know how to get in there effectively.

The boo birds are coming out in a small portion of the arena. This is clinical stuff so far from Luevano. He's jabbing his way to victory.

Now don't get me wrong, this isn't anywhere near as horrific as Wlad Klitschko jabbing his way to victory over Ibragimov.

JANDAENG SLAMS LUEVANO WITH A LEFT HAND, AND DOWN GOES LUEVANO

Up at 8, and he'll fight on.

HARD left from Jandaeng. He's throwing hard, knowing now that he can definitely hurt Luevano. Two BIG shots from Jandaeng. All of a sudden, this has become a fight.

Down goes Jandaeng on -- OK, it was a slip. It looked questionable.

Jandaeng 10-9 -- I know he got a knockdown, but Luevano totally owned the round otherwise
Luevano 39-37

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 10:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luevano-Jandaeng R5
Harold gave it 10-8 to Terdsak. I just couldn't do it. Luevano was dominating him.

Now they're starting to slug, and Lampley's right on when he says that is not what Luevano wants. He was, in fact, instructed to "not take any chances." Merchant comically poked fun at that.

Nice right hook from Luevano. Jandaeng has some good (well, bad) swelling around his eyes.

And now we're back to Luevano's routine outboxing of Jandaeng. Really good bounce-back round (well, sort of) from Luevano.

Luevano 10-9
Luevano 49-46

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 10:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

5th round
I think Luevano did a very good job of moving around in round 5.  He showed a lot of intelligence and skill, picking his shots.  I have it 48-46.

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 10:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luevano-Jandaeng R6
Hey, Mike Tyson's in the crowd. Yes, everyone cheer for the degenerate.

...I won't go on.

Merchant just called this "a very good fight" -- I can't say as though I'd go that far.

Luevano is continuing to win in this round, and Lampley and Merchant get in some more digs on Sultan Ibragimov without naming him. Jim: "The way he fought, he doesn't deserve to have his name mentioned."

This was a pretty damned dull round. Luevano at a distance can't be beaten by Jandaeng, and that is now very, very clear.

Luevano 10-9
Luevano 59-55

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 10:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ibragimov
I think Klistchko fought just as horribly, if not more.  He was in the ring with someone he could've knocked out in two rounds.  In my opnion, that fight was more Klistchko's fault that Ibragimov's.

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 10:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, well
Klitschko's still under multi-fight contract, so that's a no-no probably. Klitschko should've dusted Ibragimov out within five. Ibragimov's refusal to punch was one thing, but Klitschko was content to slap him.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 10:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Merchant
Larry Merchant should just publish a motherfucking memoir about his trip to Thailand.  He won't shut up about the club fight he went to.

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luevano-Jandaeng R7
More of the same, really. Every once in a while Jandaeng gets to try a flurry, but he's not getting too much done. His face is being busted up, he's being sorely outboxed in every way, and he's just a class below Luevano overall.

Luevano 10-9
Luevano 69-64

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh Snap
Did Lampley just punk Merchant about the Thailand talk?

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luevano-Jandaeng R8
Well, we're at that point of a one-sided routine fight where Lampley and Co. are just talking about anything else.

LOW BLOW from Jandaeng. That was a cracker.

Wow, that was some kind of low. That was tremendously low. Outstanding.

Luevano is taking his time considering his nuts. And now he's ready to go back to work.

I like how some people that speak English really do seem to think that saying things slower and with emphasis is going to make a non-English speaking guy like Jandaeng understand. "No push! No push! No wrestle! No wrestle!"

Luevano 10-9
Luevano 79-73

For someone not intent on scoring or anything like that, this is the type of fight where you make something to eat and, oh, KIND OF pay attention.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 10:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luevano-Jandaeng R9
Steward's fascination with Jandaeng's power punches is getting a little heavy-handed. Luevano is aware, the corner was aware going in, and despite Manny's opinion (a better opinion than mine, admittedly) it looks to me like his power HAS decreased at this point.

Not that he's not still dangerous, but he's tired and his face hurts.

That said, give Jandaeng all credit for not giving up. He still has plenty of spirit. I might have tried to do ANYTHING ELSE by now were I Terdsak, but I am not Terdsak.

Lampley digs in on Dick Flaherty for scoring Taylor-Spinks for Spinks. Lampley on that card as it happened was hilarious.

Another fairly typical round.

Luevano 10-9
Luevano 89-92

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 10:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luevano-Jandaeng R10
Hurrld has it 88-82. He said earlier that you "have to" give Jandaeng the extra point in the one round he won. I disagree, but it doesn't really matter at this point.

Oh Jesus, now Lampley is bringing up kickboxing again to Merchant.

The two minutes that have gone by are pretty much the same as the rest of the fight. Luevano is just a lot better than Jandaeng.

This looks no different than Luevano-Davis, really, except that Luevano is more fearful of Terdsak's power.

Luevano 10-9
Luevano 99-91

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 10:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luevano-Jandaeng R11
At this point, Luevano is just completely embarrassing Jandaeng. This looks like a boxer v. a guy that trained a few times when he was younger but kinda got bored with it and gave something else a try but that didn't work out and now here we are, fuck it, let's box again.

Uh oh!

UH OH!

Jandaeng pops him, and Luevano starts trying to fix his mouthpiece while running away. Momentary excitement, amounting to nothing. It looked like Luevano caught his own dislodged mouthpiece there.

Luevano 10-9
Luevano 109-100

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 10:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luevano-Jandaeng R12
Well, if Jandaeng's going to score the upset, he's got about three minutes.

Hurrld gave that one to Jandaeng.

Luevano is now just making the rounds all the way around the ring, staying away and not engaging at all. He'll throw a jab out now and again to keep Jandaeng honest, but that's about it. Jandaeng is physically spent, totally beaten, and has no answers.

There's a STIFF left hand from Jandaeng, but Luevano survives. As Lampley notes, Terdsak does not have the balance to follow up on big shots.

And Luevano gets on his horse for the last minute or so, not winning any fans, but winning the fight.

Jandaeng 10-9
Luevano 118-110

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LUEVANO-JANDAENG OFFICIAL SCORES
Should be academic, but Dick Flaherty did score Spinks over Taylor.

Dick Flaherty: 118-109
C.J. Ross: 119-109
Paul Smith: 119-109

STEVEN LUEVANO VIA UNANIMOUS DECISION

No surprises. Luevano really didn't win any fans it doesn't appear, but it's a crowd full of people that came out to see a FIGHT in the main event, and that's just not Luevano's style. His style, though, is never going to make him popular. It will make him good.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luevano sets a record!
In CompuBox-tracked fights, nobody has ever landed more jabs in a featherweight fight than Steven Luevano's 240 tonight.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright!
I've been waiting for this rematch for four years.  Let me disagree with Merchant when he says the undercard was full of "good fights."  It wasn't.  I would say that it was a sub-par undercard, but, well, when compared to most of the undercards HBO PPV has given us in the last couple of years, it was pretty much the same shit.  I think Bob Arum's Latin Fury PPVs have more bang-for-your-buck, in terms of the undercards...

It's not only that the fights weren't exciting, it's that none of them had any real significance.  Say what you will about Don King, but he knew how to put on a show back in the early 90s, when he promoted JC Chavez.

Alright, let's get ready for these anthems.

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 11:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HERE WE GO
It's anthems time. The crowd is already red hot.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice sleeves
Im expecting that girl to fly away any second.

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 11:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re:
Those sleeves were epic.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gotta say
I really like Mexican National Anthem

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 11:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Er
But don't tell any Puerto Ricans I said that

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 11:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

jeez
How hard did they have to look to find a 14-year old girl with Mexican and Filipino heritage to sing the American national anthem?

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good rendition
of the National Anthem.  Girl was good.  

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 11:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah
Unlike shitty "professionals" like Tyrese or Christina Aguilera or whoever, she didn't oversing it.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

weights
Marquez 130 -> 141
Pacquiao 129 -> 145

I wonder if Lampley shits over the 16 pound gain for Pacquiao like he did Gabi.

...nope, not yet. Just a "functional four-pound weight advantage."

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

145?
Pacquiao's a welterweight!

Go Marquez!

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 11:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey!
Pacquiao's not coming out to that shitty song of his!

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

crowd is electric
And very pro-Marquez.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

strawweight
How crazy is it to think that Pacquiao started his career at 105?  Talk about carrying your punch up in weight.

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 11:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re
It would only be fitting that his next fight be against Valuev

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 11:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re:
With the way things are going for Pacquiao rumors, that's likely to come up.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ref & judges
Duane Ford, Tom Miller & Jerry Roth
referee is Kenny Bayless

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marquez-Pacquaio R1
Huge "Mexico" chant from the crowd.

The first 30 seconds see no real action, both guys getting their feet under them. Pacquiao with a left, and a right follows it. Long left, Marquez avoids it.

Not much action for the first minute and change. Marquez is being very cautious.

Pacquiao blocks a counter right from Marquez. HARD RIGHT from Marquez, Pacquiao responds with a glove thump on his own, and it might be ready to go off.

Hard left from Pacquiao! Wicked body shot from Marquez, maybe borderline low. The moments where it turns up are as tense as it gets.

Neither established much this round, and that's a tough one to score.

Pacquiao 10-9 as he landed more big shots

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marquez-Pacquiao R2
Harold gave it to Manny, too.

The leather is starting to fly now. They are ready to mix it up, particularly Pacquiao, who's looking like the firecracker we all love.

Right from Marquez lands glancingly, and he's managing to avoid Pacquiao's attempts at big flurries. Nice right hand to the body from Marquez. Marquez backs him up with a left now. He's fighting really well this round and flustering Pacquiao.

Marquez with a body shot, misses upstairs, and Pacquiao shakes him up wwith a couple shots.

At some point, they're going to go to war.

Marquez with a borderline low blow, not his first of the night, but the first one noticed by Kenny Bayless.

Pacquiao charges with the left hand, lands but not square. Marquez comes back with a right, and they trade briefly again. Marquez continues to back Pacquiao up, and HE DRILLS PACQUIAO WITH A HUGE LEFT HOOK THAT STUNS PACQUIAO! That's an exclamation point on the round.

Marquez looked phenomenal this round. The crowd is white hot now.

Marquez 10-9
19-19

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn!
Nice end to that round for JMM!  What a steal!

I have it 20-18 Marquez

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 11:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Double Damn!
I don't know if Marquez can recoup from that!  What a round!

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 11:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marquez-Pacquiao R3
Marquez backs Pacquiao up again with a little counter left, not a big shot, but it stops Pacquiao in his tracks. Straight left from Pacquiao gets in there, and Marquez wisely gets away from him.

HARD right from Marquez, Manny walked right into that blow. Marquez in this round and the last is just totally outboxing Pacquiao.

Accidental headbutt.

Pacquiao's timing just isn't there. Straight right from Marquez, left from Pacquiao. Left lands BIG for Pacquiao just after that. Pacquiao with another nice blow, and he's rallying. Marquez cuts him off

DOWN GOES MARQUEZ ON A PERFECT LEFT HAND FROM MANNY PACQUIAO

He's up, and he's hurt. Five seconds to go. THEY GO TO WAR! MARQUEZ NEARLY GOES DOWN AGAIN AS THE BELL SOUNDS!

WHOO WEE!

Yeah, Marquez almost went to the wrong corner. He's shaken up, and bad. That was a harder knockdown than any of the three from their first fight.

Pacquiao 10-8
Pacquiao 29-27

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marquez-Pacquiao R4
Pacquiao looks like he smells blood.

Yep, Manny's going to make this a fight. That is not good for Juan Manuel.

Marquez wants to go back to boxing, as you might expect.

Manny is inviting Marquez to mix it up with gestures and smiles and all that jive. This is turning into what we knew it'd be.

Pacquiao with another left, and another left. And another left. MARQUEZ UNLOADS!

ThiS IS A FIGHT, BY GOD

BIG SHOT! Pacquiao charges again, and Marquez ducks the left hand.

Hard left hook from Marquez. Marquez slips in another stiff right. Two jabs from Marquez, and he comes at him again, but Manny slips the punches. Solid straight right from Marquez.

Good recovery round for Marquez, I thought. There seemed to be a moment where Manny was going to take the round over, but Marquez kept his composure and got in good work.

Marquez 10-9
Pacquiao 38-37

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marquez-Pacquiao R5
Measured, heavy left from Pacquiao doesn't quite get home. This really is the seek-and-destroy Manny Pacquiao of old.

Two jabs from Manny, and Juan doesn't land on a 1-2. Straight left from Manny again, and now HERE THEY GO. Marquez with good right hands and he wins that exchange.

Big "Manny" chant.

Right hand from Pacquiao, and Marquez goes to the body. Left upstairs from Marquez, jab from Pacquiao, beautiful counter right from Marquez.

Left from Pacquiao, doesn't land flush. Pacquiao snaps the jab out twice, and there's another one. Big right from Marquez!

Well, we've got ourselves a hell of a fight.

Again toward the bell, they kick it up a notch.

Marquez 10-9
47-47 through five rounds

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rd 5
Close round, but I think Marquez did enough to win it.  I have it even right now.  47-47

 

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 11:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marquez-Pacquiao R6
Harold has it 48-46 for Pacquiao.

Another beautiful right from Marquez. You know, the most underrated thing about Pacquiao anymore is his chin. No one really talks about his chin. He's got a good one.

POW, another right from Marquez. Marquez is really starting to take the momentum of this fight, I'm telling you.

Body shot from Marquez, but there are two nice shots from Pacquiao. CRUSHING RIGHT from Marquez! Left hook lands! Pacquiao is just eating these brutal shots, and soldiering on.

But right now, I think Marquez is winning this fight. That could change over 45 seconds. Or five seconds.

Marquez pops Pacquiao for coming in again, and that's working quite well for the time being. Another round for Juan Manuel.

We're getting our money's worth.

Marquez 10-9
Marquez 57-56

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rd 6
Marquez again.  57-56 JMM.  But you just know Manny can change it all with one punch.

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 11:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marquez-Pacquiao R7
Harold has it 57-56 for Pacquiao.

Pacquiao with a good right, then he slips Marquez's counter shots. Body blow from Marquez. Pacquiao is better avoiding Marquez's shots.

Oh no -- headbutt, and Marquez has a cut outside of his right eye. Doesn't look too bad, not in a bad spot, and ruled accidental. Time in!

Marquez comes back with heavy shots, and Pacquiao sticks him with a right hook. HERE THEY GO!

PACQUIAO LEFT, AND THEY GO INTO BATTLE, GUNS BLAZING!

Manny Steward says, "Marquez can't outbox this guy." Why not? He's been doing it. He's done it before.

Big right from Marquez doesn't get all the way in. That uppercut did, though. Pacquiao with two lefts, and here they go again! (On their own!)

Another super round. These guys can fight.

Pacquiao 10-9
66-66

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cuts
Manny has one outside of his right eye, too. Both cuts are small.

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rd 7
Man, Manny saw red and went at it like a bull.  Very close round.  I think Manny got it.  Even again.

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 11:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marquez-Pacquiao R8
CompuBox: Marquez has landed 93 punches, Pacquiao 91.

HARD right from Marquez hurts Pacquiao! That was a shot. Marquez knocks him back again. ANd that cut is worsened now, I'll tell you that much.

This one is getting dramatic. BRUTAL body shot from Marquez hurts Pacquiao! Manny's showboating, but he's gotta be hurting.

Marquez is really on top of the fight right now. Manny's cut is bothering him badly. Right in the eyelid it looks like.

Marquez with a left hook. Pacquiao comes back, Marquez is now outpunching him. Here comes Manny lunging, and Marquez outfoxes him again, shutting down the advance.

That cut is butt ugly.

Pacquiao stuck again by a WONDERFUL Maquez combo! Juan Manuel Marquez is turning up the heat. GREAT uppercut from Marquez!

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.

Marquez 10-9
Marquez 76-75

by SC on Mar 15, 2008 11:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rd 8
Big round for Marquez!  The cut is obviously bothering Pacquiao.  I wouldn't be surprised if it got stopped soon.  I have the same score as you, SC

76-75 JMM

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 15, 2008 11:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marquez-Pacquiao R9
Harold has it 76-75 Pacquiao. Manny landed only 5/25 last round. He got beaten up.

Manny looks more composed this round, but he's not charging anymore. Well, there's a lethal right from Pacquiao. His corner did a wonderful job on the cut. Bet Juan Diaz might ask for his number.

Nice straight right from Marquez, and here comes the blood. VICIOUS left from Pacquiao! Marquez with rights and lefts, and Pacquiao is right there with him. Marquez's cut has been opened up more, too.

Nice combo from Pacquiao, and he's getting his wind back under the sails. Marquez with a body shot.

Either can win the round with 30 seconds left.

Right from Marquez. Time called, and they're giong to look at Marquez's cut? Jesus Christ, he's fine. They were fighting. Oh wait it's a new cut. Shut up, me.

Nice uppercut from Marquez and they just WAIL ON EACH OTHER AT THE END OF THE ROUND!

Tough, tough round to call.

Pacquiao 10-9
85-85 through nine

Here come the championship rounds. This one is right up for grabs.

by SC on Mar 16, 2008 12:02 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rd 9
Close round.  Very good comeback by Pacquiao, though.  And great job by the cutman to stop the blood.  Great trade at the end!  This is a great fight!

 I'm giving it to Marquez.  

86-84 JMM

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 16, 2008 12:03 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marquez-Pacquiao R10
This fight has flown by. Harold has it 86-84 for Manny.

UH OH!

PACQUIAO CLOBBES MARQUEZ, AND THERE THEY GO!

THERE THEY GO!

THERE THEY GO!

MARQUEZ HOLDS HIS GROUND! HOW ABOUT THAT!

And he settles it down after being nearly floored by that Pacquiao left hand.

Pacquiao DRILLS him with another left hand. Pacquiao has his mojo back this round.

Big left from Manny again, but Juan comes back on him. This is a sensational fight.

Big right from Marquez!

Marquez goes after Manny once Pacquiao's mouthpiece is lost, but Manny holds his own. Another great round.

Pacquiao 10-9
Pacquiao 95-94

by SC on Mar 16, 2008 12:06 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rd 10
Big round for Manny.  Damn, this is a good fight.

95-94 JMM

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 16, 2008 12:06 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cut
That is one ugly fucking cut!  If I were a humanitarian, I'd scream for a stoppage...

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 16, 2008 12:07 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marquez-Pacquiao R11
Larry gets a Larryism in: "Blood is drama. We have blood. We have drama."

Pacquiao's cut man deserves all the credit in the world. He's been excellent.

Marquez warned again for a low blow. He's had a few low shots. Time out? Time in!

Right hand from Marquez. Pacquiao stings him with a left, and he's in the corner. But he punches his way right out of there and backs Manny up. Right hand lands, but not a big one. A little wild.

There's the straight left, and he hurts Manny with that one. Three of them land! Marquez is gaining momentum AGAIN!

Talk about ebb and flow. Momentum has shifted numerous times tonight. Right when I was about to say Pacquiao was just that hair better than Juan, it appeared, Marquez makes his charge.

Marquez with a couple more good shots. I don't think he's badly hurting Manny anymore, but he's landing and scoring with solid shots.

They trade near the bell again, and I think Juan took this round. He did great stuff again.

Marquez 10-9
104-104 through eleven

by SC on Mar 16, 2008 12:10 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marquez's cut
That is fuckin' gross. Kudos to Bayless for letting it continue. This is too good and too big to stop on a cut.

by SC on Mar 16, 2008 12:11 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rd 11
Yet another close round.  I feel, once again, that Marquez did enough, though, throughout the course of the three minutes to take it.  I have him up 105-103 right now.

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 16, 2008 12:11 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marquez-Pacquiao R12
Marquez with a combo, and then a straight right hand. Manny is being outworked by Marquez right now. Maybe he doesn't think it's all that close.

A minute passes and Marquez is winning this round, and thus the fight on my card.

Nice uppercut from Marquez, followed with a right. Pacquiao got a left in there, too. Right from Marquez, combo from Marquez. Marquez is winning this round.

Pacquiao comes back, Marquez hits him with a left. Pacquiao with a good left hand.

ONE MINUTE TO GO

Everything we thought it would be.

Marquez staggers him! RIGHT HAND! Marquez is going out hard!

THIRTY SECONDS TO GO

Marquez and Pacquiao both just can't get in on each other right now. TEN SECONDS!

Right from Marquez, Pacquiao combo!

And again, they both raise their hands at the bell.

Marquez 10-9
Marquez 114-113

God knows the scores...

Harold gave the 12th to Pacquiao. What the fuck?

by SC on Mar 16, 2008 12:15 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rd 12
I think Marquez took the 12th.  I don't know how Harold Lederman could give it to Manny.  I had the fight 115-112 for Marquez.  Nothing would surprise me, though.  I'm thinking split decision, or majority decision.  Hell, if one of the judges scored an even round, it could be a draw.  I do think Marquez did enough, and I think he clearly won the 12th.

115-112 JMM.

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 16, 2008 12:16 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By the way
This was a GREAT fight.

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 16, 2008 12:17 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MARQUEZ-PACQUIAO OFFICIAL SCORES
A wonderful fight. Even, hard-fought, lots of momentum shifts, blood and drama abound. I have no idea what the scores are going to be.

HERE WE GO

Duane Ford: 115-112 Pacquiao
Tom Miller: 114-113 Pacquiao
Jerry Roth: 115-112 Marquez

MANNY PACQUIAO VIA SPLIT DECISION

I hate that someone had to lose. I really do.

by SC on Mar 16, 2008 12:18 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

rd by rd
Great round by round coverage!  I am so pissed I missed watching this fight live . . .

by 3zilla on Mar 16, 2008 12:18 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

punches
Marquez: 172/511 -- 34%
Pacquiao: 157/619 -- 25%

by SC on Mar 16, 2008 12:19 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm
I know I said I'd take anything, and that I wouldn't be surprised, but I kind of am.  I need to watch this one again.  I know there were many close rounds, but I can't see the 115-112 Pacquiao score.  Just like I can't see how Lederman could give Pacquiao the 12th.

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 16, 2008 12:20 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re:
Pacquiao winning the 12th is a fucking absurd idea. It's final proof for me that even though he might be generally competent, Harold Lederman needs to be replaced. He saw Paul Williams landing a jab that wasn't there, and now Manny Pacquiao wins a round that was clearly Juan Manuel Marquez's.

by SC on Mar 16, 2008 12:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and apparently
Duane Ford gave the 12th to Pacquiao, too. What were these two old coots seeing?

by SC on Mar 16, 2008 12:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interpreter
Hey, the interpreter isn't Ray Torres!  I'm happy again!

by Kevin Gonzalez on Mar 16, 2008 12:24 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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